Suspicious Flop Calls?

[cartman]

Villains in both hands are unknown.

HAND 1:

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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, Hero ?



HAND 2:

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero ?



What is your turn action for each?

If you bet, what is your plan for the rest of the hand if you are checkraised?

Thanks,
Cartman

[phillydilly]

hand 1,
bet turn and if raised, um, ug, call down?
aces, pairs, flush draws cant have a free card

hand 2,
check, play river accordingly
this is text book free card.
i may call a river bet even if i miss depending on gut feeling.

[kurosh]

These aren't suspicious. They are retarded open limpers. They're probably peeling with garbage. I bet both.

[MATT111]

These are both close imo.
I`d be more apt to bet in hand 2 because if i get c/red I have an easy fold on the river ui. So in hand 2 I only loose 2 instead of 3 if behind trips.
In hand 1 we may loose value from smaller pps if we check the turn. On the other hand we sometimes induce bluffs from hands that fold to a turn bet.

[cartman]

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These aren't suspicious. They are retarded open limpers. They're probably peeling with garbage. I bet both.

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Am I correct to assume that you just call down if checkraised with the QQ and you fold unimproved on the river if checkraised with the As 8s?

[MATT111]

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hand 2,
check, play river accordingly
this is text book free card.


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It`s not. We have an open limper that called the flop on a board that probably missed him. We have what is probably the best hand. --&gt; A free card is more likely to help villain than us. If raised we have a good couple of outs.

[kurosh]

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These aren't suspicious. They are retarded open limpers. They're probably peeling with garbage. I bet both.

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Am I correct to assume that you just call down if checkraised with the QQ and you fold unimproved on the river if checkraised with the As 8s?

[/ QUOTE ]Usually, yeah.

[Scary_Tiger]

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These aren't suspicious. They are retarded open limpers. They're probably peeling with garbage. I bet both.

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QFT

[MATT111]

[ QUOTE ]
These aren't suspicious. They are retarded open limpers. They're probably peeling with garbage. I bet both.

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Yea. But in hand1, against a retarded open-limper, aren`t we gaining more by letting them bluff/catch 1 of their "outs" on the river?

[Spy Dog]

I check both of these hands on the turn. I call the river in both hands, also.