KK out of Position on Scary board (100NL 6 max)

[I_Like_Beer]

Villain is running at 50/13 and doing a lot of limp/calling.

I put him on a flush draw or a Queen. But really, he could have anything with those donkish stats.

What should I do on the river? Check/call? Check/fold? Or lead out with a shove (A Queen will maybe call that, right?)



Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $118.25
BTN: $101.05
Hero (SB): $99
BB: $119.65
UTG: $64.10
MP: $9.35

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls $1, MP folds, CO calls $1, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6</font>, 2 folds, CO calls $5

Flop: ($14) Q T 3 (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $12</font>, CO calls $12

Turn: ($38) 9 (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $26</font>, CO calls $26

River: ($90) 9 (2 Players)
Hero ?????


Thanks

[Stonewalled]

I would check, and call a reasonably sized bet. I think if you bet, he's only calling, most of the time, with hands that will beat you. However, he may bluff a wider range - would be good to know his AF, particularly on the river.

[Scuba Chuck]

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Villain is running at 50/13 and doing a lot of limp/calling.

I put him on a flush draw or a Queen. But really, he could have anything with those donkish stats.

What should I do on the river? Check/call? Check/fold? Or lead out with a shove (A Queen will maybe call that, right?)



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Do you have AF numbers? Assuming normal loose/passive numbers, there is just too many Q/T hands for villain to call down with. Most notably QJ and TJ are great suspects here. And if he's a calling station, then anything goes.

If you were deeper, I'd advise bet/fold.

Here's the thing here. $90 in pot. You've got about half that behind. (Again, I don't have AF numbers - also number of hands is useful). My suspicion here is that you want to check/call, which means you're putting your stack in anyways. Unfortunately, that leaves a lot of value on the table for the LAP when he checks behind. So if you're going to risk your stack with a check/call, you might as well value bet river here. Make sense?

Edit: This is specific to villain running at 50/13.

[spivey]

Shove. c/c is terrible.

[Robjow]

Shove for value from a Q. Not just AQ, any queen, he is 50/13/passive. Checking is bad because you don't want a Queen checking behind on that river. You will be beat a decent amount of the time but you cant check fold this river vs a 50/13 with the money invested.

[Stonewalled]

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Shove. c/c is terrible.

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Why?

[Lucky]

get rest in on river.

This is easy because of stack size. Even deeper though, i'd like b/f better than c/c. Even as donk he is, he's more likely to have limped UTG with Q than have hit flush. And if he's passive post flop, he may check behind with his bad queen or even JT type hand.

[Scuba Chuck]

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Shove. c/c is terrible.

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Why?

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See my post.

[Sciolist]

Every draw in the world has got there, but there're lots of probably Qx hands he could have. As we have under a PSB having already put in &gt; 1/3 of our stack into the pot, I don't think there's much point checking, so let's just put it all in

[shandyboy]

yeah, i shove this for value on the river, and lol when villain shows Q10.
In all seriousness, with those stats villain will call with plenty of queens there...