STTF SNG->cash thread - Page 200

Scuba Chuck · #**1991** 10-24-2007, 07:36 PM

Does anybody use this line?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($84.65)
Button ($46.25)
SB ($21.90)
Hero ($80.70)
UTG ($48.20)
MP ($23.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button raises to $1.5, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.

Flop: ($3.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $3, Button raises to $6, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $9.25

DevinLake · #**1992** 10-24-2007, 07:36 PM

I dunno, I never really try to get players to fold TP if it's like Q+. If he's a thinking player, he's never folding TP because you are only repping a very narrow range. Like A4 or 53. If he's a non thinking player, he just doesn't fold cause he has TP.

DevinLake · #**1993** 10-24-2007, 07:40 PM

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Against a probably awful small stack at .25/.50 its a value shove and a good one.

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It's so funny you say that. I have no idea what fish think anymore. I'm just so far removed from that thought process that I think I often leave $$ on the table.

I sometimes think when people call with crap, it's not only because they think they might have the best hand, but just as much to **see** what I have. It's as if they are policing the game.

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There was a phase I went through where I was always giving way to much credit. I was thinking "what can they call with that I beat?" and I was always giving them too narrow of a range. So, I was missing a lot of value by being way to passive.

Now, my line is thinking is more like "bet and let them decide what they can call with". You'd be surprised how wide people call.

Obviously there are spots to evaluate what they can call you with and not bet for that reason. But, don't take it too far. They will call with middle pair no kicker more often than you think.

DevinLake · #**1994** 10-24-2007, 07:42 PM

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Does anybody use this line?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($84.65)
Button ($46.25)
SB ($21.90)
Hero ($80.70)
UTG ($48.20)
MP ($23.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button raises to $1.5, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.

Flop: ($3.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $3, Button raises to $6, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $9.25

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I don't get it? It's pretty standard. Against an aggro player you could 3-bet.

Scuba Chuck · #**1995** 10-24-2007, 07:45 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($18.25)
MP ($50.25)
Hero ($90.20)
Button ($51.40)
SB ($59.75)
BB ($20.55)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB calls $4.

Turn: ($12.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

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Haha, Devin, this hand reminded me of another hand from about a week ago. And yes, I guess you're right, it doesn't matter how deep.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.80 BB (5 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($159.60)
SB ($279.30)
BB ($233.25)
UTG ($209.75)
MP ($159)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2.60, 1 fold.

Flop: ($6.80) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero raises to $22, SB calls $12.

Turn: ($50.80) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $22, Hero raises to $55, SB calls $33.

River: ($160.80) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $79.6 (All-In), SB calls $79.60.

Final Pot: $320

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ks 2h (full house, twos full of kings).
SB has Js Ah (two pair, aces and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins $320.

Scuba Chuck · #**1996** 10-24-2007, 07:46 PM

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I don't get it? It's pretty standard. Against an aggro player you could 3-bet.

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Sorry, I've never used this line in a cashgame with air ...until now.

DevinLake · #**1997** 10-24-2007, 07:58 PM

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I don't get it? It's pretty standard. Against an aggro player you could 3-bet.

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Sorry, I've never used this line in a cashgame with air ...until now.

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You've never b/f with air?

Edit: Oh I see what's going on. I thought you were pfr. Yea, I donk a bit, especially against min raises from LP. Works quite a bit, even against regulars.

Edit2: I'll donk flops that are unlikely to hit them. I'll donk middle or bottom pair. It seems transparent, but seems to work a lot. I also really like to donk if I have like a gut shot, or runner runner flush and straight draws.

DevinLake · #**1998** 10-24-2007, 08:07 PM

Here's my example of betting and letting them decide what they can call with.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($606.05)
UTG ($604)
MP ($748.13)
CO ($603)
Button ($405.21)
SB ($696.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $12, 1 fold, Button calls $12, 1 fold, Hero raises to $60, MP folds, Button calls $48.

Flop: ($135) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $100, Button calls $100.

Turn: ($335) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero calls $446.05 (All-In), Button calls $245.21 (All-In).

River: ($1026.26) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $1026.26

Results in white below: 
Hero has 9s Ks (two pair, kings and eights).
Button has Th 6s (two pair, tens and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $1026.26.

futuredoc85 · #**1999** 10-24-2007, 10:03 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG ($50.20)
jb ($50.50)
CO ($50)
Button ($41.85)
SB ($90.05)
BB ($52.95)

Preflop: jb is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, jb raises to $2, 2 folds, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($4.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, jb checks.

Turn: ($4.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, jb bets $2.5, SB calls $2.50.

River: ($9.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, jb checks.

Final Pot: $9.50

Villain is 54/17/3.1 over 64 hands

Should I value bet here?

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absolutely have to, sometimes vs this guy id bet all 3 streets

cakewalk · #**2000** 10-24-2007, 10:28 PM

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UTG+1: 34/14/1.33 over 50 hands
SB: 38/2/1.43 over 50 hands
BB: no info

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $136.05
UTG+1: $82.35
CO: $59.05
Button: $225.10
SB: $52.95
BB: $95.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero raises to $3, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($12, 4 players)
SB bets $12, BB calls, Hero raises to $30, UTG+1 raises to $48, SB folds, BB folds, Hero ???

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i think you have to fold here, that's a terribly strong line from utg+1

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