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Old 01-18-2007, 06:09 PM
Panic__NL Panic__NL is offline
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Default How to counterattack shortstacks

I have been playing NL10 6max on Titan lately, and it is full of short stack. And short as in 1 dollar or less.
What are the do's and donts against those shorties. When u "stack" lol them, they buy in for the same amount. Just find another table?? or is there a way to make a profit of these guys? implied odds are of no importance i guess.
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:21 PM
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Default Re: How to counterattack shortstacks

if they are employing a short stack strategy, like ed millers, you really can't do anything. Just steal their blinds, they'll rarely fight back.

If they are playing loose and short, just 3 bet AI with good hands.
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:27 PM
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Default Re: How to counterattack shortstacks

if there are more than 2 <25bb stacks at the table I usually leave unless the table is sick good.

and dont make poor calls w/ 2nd pair, etc "just b/c he's short"
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:29 PM
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Default Re: How to counterattack shortstacks

If you have the odds to chase go for it. The but realize a smart short player is deliberately trying to restrict the action to two streets, preflop and flop. You'll have hte odsd to chase often, but you'll be behind a lot.
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Old 01-18-2007, 07:35 PM
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Default Re: How to counterattack shortstacks

I dont think this are the good shortstack players. These people just want to take less risk.
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Old 01-18-2007, 07:38 PM
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Default Re: How to counterattack shortstacks

what you try and do to them: flop any decent pair+ and stack 'em

what they try to do to you: flop any pair and c-r you ai

iow - be very very carefully c-betting vs. short stacks.... i mean they'll fold, but they'll rr or c-r ai pretty often, so make sure you know what to do ahead of time if they do

ps: oh yeah, most short stacks suck.... Ace high is often a call vs. the really bad ones
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Old 01-18-2007, 07:41 PM
Sean Fraley Sean Fraley is offline
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Default Re: How to counterattack shortstacks

I've always found that the best way to counter-attack shortstacks is this:

1) 40 lashes with a cat-o-nine-tails (not the let's get kinky in bed type, but the Passion of the Christ type).

2) Douse them in kerosene.

3) Apply open flame.
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Old 01-18-2007, 08:10 PM
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Default Re: How to counterattack shortstacks

I don't know if that helps, but from my experience the shorties (which might be the ones who don't employ a fitting strategy, mind you) need much lower requirements to push their stacks (or whatever you want to call it) in the middle. So, there are a few things that are exploitable.

1. If they limp and you make a standard raise preflop, then they push, they very often have AceRag. I think it's usually a good call for you, if you have any pocket pair or at least AJ+.

2. If they see a flop and already have a good chunk of their stack in the middle, say about $0.4 of a $1 stack, it's often a good idea to check if they have position on you and you hit an ace-less (because the Ace is such a huge part of villain's range here) flop with anything. When you show weakness, you are very likely to induce a bluff and take their stack.

I know, it's not much, but maybe it helps against one or two of them.
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Old 01-18-2007, 08:19 PM
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Default Re: How to counterattack shortstacks

Shoot the hostage.
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Old 01-18-2007, 08:20 PM
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Default Re: How to counterattack shortstacks

I like tables with a lot of short stacks. A table with all players having at least maximum buyin is a signal that at least a few of them know what they are doing.
But at uNL short stack players are usually very bad.

What's more, it is not uncommon that

1. I lose some pots to a short stack.
2. Short stack player now has larger stack.
3. Short stack player does not know how to play with larger stack.
4. Short stack player gets stacked.

Also, playing against short stacks is a bit more like playing limit. No huge implied odds preflop. Drawing hands go down in value. High card strength go up.

Another way to learn how to beat different types of player is to try their strategy yourself. I have done this myself when I find myself uncomfortable with a certain type of opponent. (I have tried this with maniac play, extreme LAGs, compulsive coldcallers etc). Pick a limit where you don't mind losing a few buyins.

Play short stack until you run into an opponent who seems to completely own you.
Study what he does. Which situations make you feel uncomfortable. Imitate.

If you never run into an opponent who beats you. Move up.
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