Zero Rake Poker Business plan

[goofyballer]

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The fish will be the ones putting on their own games. In all likelyhood, they won't be inviting nit grinders. YOU can stay at Full Tilt. YOU won't be missed.

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I heard gimmenutz, Guy Laliberte, jayden21, and tie53 have read this thread and are going to start their own home game using the open source software. They trust each other to send hundreds of thousands of dollars to the winners after the game is over much more than they trust FTP to deliver the money to their bank accounts!

[Tuff_Fish]

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you go tuff, this idea of using play money sites for the games and just settling up afterwards like gentlemen, terrifies the bejesus out of the grinders

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First comes the individual internet homegames run however anybody chooses to run them. There will be various ways the banking is done.

Now lets just take the idea to it's next logical progression.

Some of the internet homegames will become known as well run, honest games with no hassling about the banking. These games will grow into fairly large sites with dozens (or more) of tables running. Assuming the software is scalable. More and more rec players hear about these sites (ie I go onto all the offshore sites and spam the heck out of them) and move their play there. Upon trying out the sites themselves, alas, the nit grinders find that:

a) The sites don't support multitabling.

b) The sites don't allow multitabling.

c) Multitabling doesn't work because the sites are small enough that you become well known immediately, and the fish won't play with you since there are multitudes of alternatives.

In my upcoming book "Secrets to Playing the Internet Homegames", I will spell out in detail why the rec player should shun multitablers.

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Ah multitabling, it was swell, but now the swelling is gone.

Tuff << Getting happier by the minute.

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[Mitch Evans]

Crazy Fish, why not just play games with your friends... at home? Or, why not get your freinds to play at stars on a play table?

[apefish]

Mitch- logic like that has no place in a thread where the cliffsnotes read:

- something huge is gonna happen. just you wait and see.

[_dave_]

Tuff:

DROP THIS CRUSADE AGAINST MULTITABLING!!!

You are alienating many allies, inviting ridicule from posters, and thread-hijacking what could be a revolution in online poker.

In addition, in a distributed p2p environment such as may be born, chances are there will be an unlimited number of tables playable [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] To implement seating restrictions across a distributed network is inefficient and defeats the purpose of distribution of the network.

Also, know that the main reason a lot of people are taking the piss here is that they are *very fast* multitablers... a lot of people have an average time to act <1 second. These people are not slowing the games.

dave.

[Devilboy666]

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The delaying of the game by multitablers is a peeve, the health of the lake is a real concern.

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Play the 'fast' games on Pokerstars.
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[Tuff_Fish]

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Tuff:

DROP THIS CRUSADE AGAINST MULTITABLING!!!

You are alienating many allies, The only thing these guys would ally with is a return to Party Poker 2004. There is nothing else that would satisfy them. inviting ridicule from posters, or fevered objections to something that may never happen, but it is fun to tweak them a bit and thread-hijacking what could be a revolution in online poker.

In addition, in a distributed p2p environment such as may be born, chances are there will be an unlimited number of tables playable [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] To implement seating restrictions across a distributed network is inefficient and defeats the purpose of distribution of the network.
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I believe you are missing the idea of the model I am exploring. This is not a distributed poker network of thousands of tables. Not to say your model couldn't be an implememtation also. But what I have in mind is a small localized site, a self contained poker site consisting of one or a few tables.
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It would be administered and run exactly like a miniature Poker Stars. There would be a site owner, the guy with the server software, and a handful of clients, the other players at the site who may have server software or only client software. In any case, there is only one PC "putting on the game". The other PCs are "sitting in" the game. To leave that site, a player literally has to close that site and go to another site and login, exactly like going from Poker Stars to Full Tilt.
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So, if you like "Mikes" game, you get invited, login with a password, and play with the other players whom "Mike" has invited. So, you best know who "Mike" is if you are playing for real money. Either personally, or by reputation.
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This is exactly how underground live games are run. "Mike" makes the rules on how his site is run. If the poker software will support multitabling, and "Mike" wants to allow multitabling, fine. How big a poker room "Mike" will have depends on what the software will support and how many folks know about "Mikes" room and want to sit in. But players at "Mike's Place" will not have access to any other sites.
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If you want to attend "Bills's Palace" you will have to launch another client and login separately. Just like playing at Full Tilt and Poker Stars simultaneously.
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The beauty of it all is that "Mike", "Bill", "Fred", "Arnold", "Lisa", "Don", and "Joy" can all have sites running. The player can pick and choose amongst them just as he can presently choose which underground site to play at in Dallas, or overseas site to play at on the internet.
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The DOJ will go nuts trying to find which sites are legal, which may be shading the law, and whether any of them are actually charging to play.
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Also, know that the main reason a lot of people are taking the piss here is that they are *very fast* multitablers... a lot of people have an average time to act <1 second. These people are not slowing the games. Total malarky, they DO hold up the games. Nuff said. I ain't discussing it anymore.

dave.

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[apefish]

Tuff just became the second person I've ever put on ignore.

This thread cleans up nice and now I can be done with it.

Note: I'm doing this mostly to not waste any more time in this thread and may want some amusement in the future, so the status could change at some point.

[_dave_]

Are you seriously contending that people whom on average *take less than one second* to act actually "slow" the games????

or as you say "it is fun to tweak them a bit" - are you now doing this to programmers too?