Winning in Tough Hold 'em Games

[MicroBob]

Mason- I agree. This book is super-cool.

Glad to see you guys corrected the oversight and added it to the 'books' page so that people can actually order it.

[jeffnc]

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Your old conjecture is still true - The fish go broke faster a NL than at limit. Modern capped buy-ins have slowed the money hemorage from a gush to a spurt, but eventually the suckers will bleed to death faster than they can be replaced with newbies.

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Yet another player thinking in terms of fixed bankrolls and "dying".

Hasn't it ever occurred to you that people have been losing at casino games like roulette, craps and blackjack for decades, with no sign of slowing down? Yes, online the situation is somewhat dynamic and the current US laws have put a hurtin' on it. Reloading is a real problem for some. But it's not a question of bankroll issues or "dying". It's a question of what people enjoy doing. People with regular jobs do not "go broke".

[stoxtrader]

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Why would anyone want to play in a tough game?

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wrong question.

in my opinion the better question is this:

Why would anyone want to learn to BEAT tough holdem games?

answer: Because it will almost certainly improve your play, and thus, your earn, in ALL holdem games.

[jfk]

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Why would anyone want to play in a tough game?

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wrong question.

in my opinion the better question is this:

Why would anyone want to learn to BEAT tough holdem games?

answer: Because it will almost certainly improve your play, and thus, your earn, in ALL holdem games.

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...far better reply than mine.

[londomollari]

There are plenty of games with one fish which are otherwise tough, if you can't handle the game when the fish folds it will often wipe out any edge you have because of the fish.

[andyfox]

It's not just for tough games, but for tough players. I often find myself in good games that have a couple of ery tough and aggressive players and I find myself going out of my way to avoid them. Thus I might be avoiding situations that could be+EV if I could improve my play against this type of player. This is, if I take it correctly, Mason's point in his OP.

[jfk]

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It contains some of the most dynamic material we have ever published, and I have been working with it to improve my own limit play.

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Mason,

Many readers would be interested in hearing the specific ways in which this book has helped improve your limit game.

[amulet]

as usual, i agree with jfk.

i found the book interesting and thought provoking. however, i found some of the ideas easy to understand but difficult to embrace. i disagreed with parts of the book. it is possible that i missed a lot and that i am incorrect. therefore, mason, can you elaborate on why the book is helping your game and it what ways it is helping?

thanks.

[daveT]

amulet, if I recall in jfk's review, he wrote that with SSH and HOH, he regrets seeing this book published. JFK is trying to get Mason to sell the book, not justify it's existence.

I think the problem with the book is that it is aimed at a small audience. I know that the book is wonderful, but it is useless in games most people play, as very few players play at the level this book is written for. Also, many players have a plug up their bums about playing limit. For the player pool it is aimed toward, it is selling very well.

[Cactus Jack]

No one can say enough good things about WITHG. It's superb.

Where SSHE is for loose multiway games, WITHG is for tight games where you get headsup. It's the book for going mano y mano.

The blinds section is the reference source. Nobody has come close to it.

As for limit, who cares if most are playing NL? When they start playing mixed games, they'll be DOA. The vast majority of NL players cannot play well after the flop. That's where expert limit players make their money. They've made thousands and thousands of decisions on the turn and river, where even players with lots of experience in NL rarely have to make river decisions.

Those who can play both have the world in their hands. Find a good game, whichever it is, and take home the guitas.

CJ