Dumb question about extracting value

[wpr101]

Shoving here looks good because it reps the draw way more than a minraise does.

[tcorbin16]

you fold because you lose to 67.

[ddubois]

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All these if's make a shove or at least some type of raise the way to go imo here on the flop.

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Well, obviously I'm going to raise, that's not the question. The question is two-pronged, and goes like this: 1) How does raising to 590 versus 1190 - or, for that matter, the timing of my raise - affect villain's likelihood of getting it in on this flop? 2) Assuming I can affect villain's behavior, which would I prefer he do?

With regards to #1, I would have thought shoving ends the hand right now more often, while a small raise entices villain to continue or play back at me more often. But everyone seems to think the opposite: shoving looks weaker than a small raise, so I guess I was wrong. (BTW, if I insta-shove, does that change your answer?)

With regard to #2, from jalex's post, it looks like I was also wrong about preferring to end the hand now. I should have worked that out more thoroughly before posting; I'm embarrassed to present such sloppy math. I do think my point becomes valid at some stack size, but it's probably around 80bb deep, not here.

Anyway, I insta-shoved and he insta-folded, so he probably had AK/AQ.

[DJ Sensei]

If you were close on the line between wanting JJ to call or fold, i'd almost always err on the side of playing for stacks. if he loses a stack he's more likely to play poorly, and if he gets there and wins one, well, whatever. you should be able to control tilt better than he can.

as for timing, i'd probably not instashove but take a second or so to do it. dont think too long though, cause tanking and then shoving tends to look strong.

[wpr101]

For timing I usually like a 3-5 second delay. Generally this is how long it takes me to pull the trigger with a fd in a case like this.