Updated satellite strategy post

[Lloyd]

At what point would you start pushing? Obviously toward the bubble but I can see people tightening up when there are still several people to bust out.

[adanthar]

When people know they can't call. This can mean "never", "occasionally", or "every single freaking hand from 100 left on down".

I have a (4 year old) pic in my profile don't I?

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I have a (4 year old) pic in my profile don't I?

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[elena_elphie]

I know this is theoretically what people should do, but it is not what they actually do. In general if I push and someone calls, they have hurt both of us severely, so I'm pretty scared to push with medium stack unless I know the people I'm pushing on are likely to fold, and if no one is pushing it is difficult to learn how they respond to pushes.

So what are some practical tips for dealing with this in the real world, knowing that are opponents might call our pushes anyway.

[LearnedfromTV]

Totally off topic, do you look anything like the guy in your avatar? It seems like you should.

Post bookmarked, obv.

[Rosie5]

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If I had to qualify again, I would...

I'm definitely playing the 150 seat Stars sat for W$ as it's probably going to be in the top 10 most profitable tournaments this year. The Full Tilt 100 seat sat is gonna be up there, too, especially since pros that have already won seats at Party and Stars will not be playing in it. Party's 8 seat guaranteed nightly tournaments seem like a good value and can even have a little overlay (although Party pays 1K less for winning 2+ seats). The good old 73+7 sat to the Stars 650's is how I won my seat (although I bought in direct to the other 650 I played) and also gives practice on how to play a sat FT. Various turbo rebuys are great, too. Of course, if Bodog were an option, or some other site with overlays like that still is, toss this whole thing out the window and qualify from there.


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I should probably off myself for mentioning this. But there is always a huge FPP overlay in the 1,000 FPP freerolls on stars. It usually sends someone to the WSOP for ~300k FPPs total (seen it as low as 260k) from the entire field whereas it would cost 600k+ to buyin directly.

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[Jonathan]

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just trying to help ppl get double value on those things [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] I don't think you're allowed to freeroll in after you win a seat in, making these extra soft [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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I'm quite certain that you can.

Suerte,
Jonathan

[michaelantoi]

Adanthar and all others who advocate the larger edge Party Steps have in terms of building a bankroll can I get you're opinion on this (from STT section).

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I have a question that was asked in the first one, but not answered:
What is 5-step? I've heard people referring to it as if it were some level of buyin, but I can't figure out what it is

You must be refering to the step systems. I don't know what sites offer them, or what the official name for them are. But, at party it is the Steps.

There are 5 steps. You start at Step 1. If you win Step 1, you move to Step 2. And it continues like that until you reach Step 5 where there are cash payouts.

At each level, if you do not win or come in the top couple spots, you usually get a freeroll into that same step or a step or two down.

Generally people see them as a rake trap. At each step, you are paying a certain amount back to the site. It's very difficult to win enough sngs to get to the top step, so you're paying a lot of rake along the way to what is usually just busting completely.

People are attracted to them because the payouts are huge compared to the buy-ins for the first couple steps. But, people should remember that there is no easy way to make these big scores. It's no different than playing a 6.50$ and winning and buyin into a $27. Then winning the $27 and buying into a $114. You can imagine, it's pretty easy to lose your initial buy-in, because you are most likely going to lose at some point. - devin




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[ZJ123]

bump

good stuff

gl everyone tomorrow

plz win the FTP or star one! k thx bye.

[Vee Quiva]

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Deep stack poker

Tournament structure has generally become far slower over the last year and change, while dead money still busts out at a relatively rapid clip. In general, the bigger the buyin, the better the structure, so big event sats tend to be very deep; on Stars, the mean number of chips 3-4 hours into this sat was over 50 BB, and as one of the chip leaders, I had over 100. This doesn't have much to do with anything except that you now have to know how to play with cash game stacks in order to beat sats; it's no longer optional. Furthermore, later on (before the true bubble but after bubble FE becomes a factor) it's pretty important to learn to resteal and bluff properly


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Last night's $650 in Stars was the first one I have qualified for. I think there were 24 seats up for grabs.

Maybe it was just bad luck, but I was amazed how well everyone played at my table for the first 4 levels (until I busted out) I had Game Time running and no one had a VPIP over 22%. Some were as low as 13%. Since I was not getting any cards to play, I tried to survive on blind steals and resteals.

After I had indentified whose blinds I wanted to pick on, I was consistently beat to the punch by other players who had figured out the same thing. After folding my crappy hands in the big blind for an hour, one player was obviously picking on my blind. As I got ready to make the big resteal with any 2 cards, the button would reraise him out of the pot. Since I didn't have a good enough read to push all in and resteal his resteal, I had to fold. This happened 2 orbits in a row.

Hopefully the next time I qualify for the $650 I will sit at a better table and be dealt better cards.

I just wanted to let everyone know, that the early rounds of this tournament will take a lot more skill than the donkfest qualifiers to get into them.