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Old 11-02-2007, 09:18 PM
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Default Dealer mucks the deck. What should the ruling be?

Live $1500 MTT. There is a raise and a call. The dealer thinks everyone folded and mixes the mucked cards into the deck. The floor is called. How should the situation be handled?
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:26 PM
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Default Re: Dealer mucks the deck. What should the ruling be?

Tough one. If I was floor my decision would be to kill hand and chop pot between both remaining players then scold dealer.
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:28 PM
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Default Re: Dealer mucks the deck. What should the ruling be?

if stub is easily salvageable, pick it up and continue. If not, I'd guess that all the cards would be shuffled and flop, turn. river as usual.

To the floor people here.. how much of the stub needs to be obviously salvageable? Only the top 8 cards matter.
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:38 PM
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Default Re: Dealer mucks the deck. What should the ruling be?

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if stub is easily salvageable, pick it up and continue. If not, I'd guess that all the cards would be shuffled and flop, turn. river as usual.

To the floor people here.. how much of the stub needs to be obviously salvageable? Only the top 8 cards matter.

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9 cards, but if he mucks it properly those will be the first 9 that get mucked.
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:47 PM
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Default Re: Dealer mucks the deck. What should the ruling be?

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if stub is easily salvageable, pick it up and continue. If not, I'd guess that all the cards would be shuffled and flop, turn. river as usual.

To the floor people here.. how much of the stub needs to be obviously salvageable? Only the top 8 cards matter.

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9 cards, but if he mucks it properly those will be the first 9 that get mucked.


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If he mucked it properly he would have pushed the pot first. Soemone would have screamed and this whole probelm wouldn't have happened.
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Old 11-02-2007, 10:45 PM
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Default Re: Dealer mucks the deck. What should the ruling be?

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if stub is easily salvageable, pick it up and continue. If not, I'd guess that all the cards would be shuffled and flop, turn. river as usual.

To the floor people here.. how much of the stub needs to be obviously salvageable? Only the top 8 cards matter.

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9 cards, but if he mucks it properly those will be the first 9 that get mucked.


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If he mucked it properly he would have pushed the pot first. Soemone would have screamed and this whole probelm wouldn't have happened.

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Well I was assuming he thought that hand was over.
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Old 11-02-2007, 11:01 PM
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To the floor people here.. how much of the stub needs to be obviously salvageable? Only the top 8 cards matter.

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I'll elaborate on why RR says 9 cards for those who might not know. Yes, 8 cards for the board and the 3 burns, but you can never use the last card of the deck in any poker game (with one exception in the near future, that I can't get into quite yet)
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Old 11-03-2007, 04:17 AM
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If he mucked it properly he would have pushed the pot first.

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How do you push the pot before you drop the deck?
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Old 11-03-2007, 08:31 AM
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Default Re: Dealer mucks the deck. What should the ruling be?

Floor ruled it was kill hand and chop pot. People at table were saying to reshuffle deck and play hand. Raiser showed KK and caller showed 99.
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Old 11-03-2007, 11:59 AM
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Default Re: Dealer mucks the deck. What should the ruling be?

Why is this so difficult?

17. If the deck stub gets fouled for some reason, such as the dealer believing the deal is over and dropping the deck, the deal must still be played out, and the deck reconstituted in as fair a way as possible.
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