Kinda simple Preflop spot v Tmay in 109r

[ZJ123]

Tmay is pretty aggro, but not crazy, and i doubt hes opening to light UTG with his stack, he prolly views me as aggro and decent.

So 3bet/call?
Flat?
Fold? (i hope not!)

asked two very respected donkamenters and they said 2 different things.
PokerStars Game #13369490806: Tournament #67347581, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (500/1000) - 2007/11/20 - 22:53:14 (ET)
Table '67347581 14' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: LukeFromB13 (68821 in chips)
Seat 2: Macknot (17710 in chips)
Seat 3: BrooDogg (25132 in chips)
Seat 4: pbdrunks (62525 in chips)
Seat 5: charder30 (67878 in chips)
Seat 6: varuni (24639 in chips)
Seat 7: 12443267 (26871 in chips)
Seat 8: Tmay420 (24000 in chips)
Seat 9: DermSperm521 (45510 in chips)
LukeFromB13: posts the ante 100
Macknot: posts the ante 100
BrooDogg: posts the ante 100
pbdrunks: posts the ante 100
charder30: posts the ante 100
varuni: posts the ante 100
12443267: posts the ante 100
Tmay420: posts the ante 100
DermSperm521: posts the ante 100
varuni: posts small blind 500
12443267: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to charder30 [Th Tc]
Tmay420: raises 2000 to 3000
DermSperm521: folds
LukeFromB13: folds
Macknot: folds
BrooDogg: folds
pbdrunks: folds
charder30:....?

[Bond18]

I think i flat. I know i do if he has like 30 BB's.

[curtains]

OOPS MISREAD HAND!


Anyway depends on his opening range, but probably very close. If he's opening at or looser than: 77+,ATs+,AJo+,KQs, pushing will probably be +CeV. I dunno I'd say he opens looser. In my original response I misread stack sizes, thought we about 18000 effective in which case its a completely obvious allin. Its still probably a +EV allin, but not nearly as gigantic.

[shaundeeb]

calling seems best to me vs tmay but he prob would give my repect more flat then yours and cbet less frequent so as you flat and shover over cbet on like 60% of boards.

[Marduk]

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he prob would give my repect more flat then yours

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how high are you right now?

[Bakes]

is the 3k raise standard for tmay? haven't played w him much

[Todd Terry]

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Tmay is pretty aggro, but not crazy, and i doubt hes opening to light UTG with his stack, he prolly views me as aggro and decent.

So 3bet/call?
Flat?
Fold? (i hope not!)


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All are reasonable options, all are fairly marginal in terms of cEV (except folding, which is exactly marginal). Tmay has been fairly tight the 2 times I've played with him live, maybe he was just card dead. In the absence of any other info, I'd be inclined to gamble here and 3bet/call to take a stab at having the most chips at the table.

[Eagles]

Why is 3betting better than calling? so he can play perfectly against us?

[curtains]

I don't like calling either. Too large a % of our stack. Also wtf is with this raising to 9000 [censored]? I would never consider anything other than allin if I was planning on raising any hand here. (I hope I'm reading stack sizes correctly and that the ones after me have same as UTG).

[Bakes]

very difficult for you to get action from anything but JJ+ AK if you reraise, and i think he has that here a lot. i'd fold.

btw plz convert your ish charder