Fold QQ to a 4bet in the Sunday Million?

Margaud · #1 11-13-2007, 03:36 PM

Reposting this in the HSMTT...

I really really didn't want to fold this hand but in the end, I was convinced it was the right move as I'd only had 600 chips invested in the pot. My assumption was that a 4bet is 99.5% going to be AA/KK. Is my assumption right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

PokerStars Game #13181599588: Tournament #65933429 $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (100/200) - 2007/11/11 - 17:09:22 (ET)

CO (t11100)
Button (t8500)
SB (t19250)
BB (t15942)
UTG (t16583)
UTG+1 (t10625)
Hero (t9550)
MP2 (t20525)
MP3 (t8900)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t600, 3 folds, Button raises to t3200, 1 fold, BB raises to t8800, Hero folds, Button calls t5300 (All-In).

Flop: (t18000) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t18000) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t18000) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t18000

betgo · #2 11-13-2007, 03:39 PM

I don't think the 4-bet is always AA/KK, and I wouldn't fold QQ here.

zizazziza · #3 11-13-2007, 04:15 PM

btn raise is HUGE relative to your raise. The reason question is whether BB is trying to resteal or not. I think that I can find a fold here though b/c they can easily have you dominated. I mean you are hoping for AK/AK or AK/JJ mebbe JJ/TT. But there is much bad play in teh sunday mill. I dont think either play is wrong.

furfur · #4 11-13-2007, 04:19 PM

I think folding is the right play because as mentioned the 4bet is aa,kk,ak a majority of the time.

Steroid Boy · #5 11-13-2007, 04:24 PM

i think big reason why its a fold is its a cold 4bet for half of BB stack with heavily weights their range toward KK/AA. and no i dont give a random sunday million donk credit for a cold 4bet bluff

Margaud · #6 11-13-2007, 04:53 PM

Would anyone care to discuss what a typical 4bet range is? I always thought AA, KK but the varying responses in here would have me think otherwise.

One person said AK, when I think about it, I can't imagine 4betting with a drawing hand but I suppose alot of people will push with AK without 4 betting. Is there really any significance to the fact that it's a 4 bet here? There's not alot of times when people are deepstacked enough to 4bet, usually having to push after a 3bet.

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wtf5 · #7 11-13-2007, 07:31 PM

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One person said AK, when I think about it, I can't imagine 4betting with a drawing hand

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your advice makes me a sad panda [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

kypreanus · #8 11-14-2007, 01:05 AM

If you are late for golf, call.

If this is your only tournament for the night, fold.

I would fold here 80% of the time though.

Bond18 · #9 11-14-2007, 03:24 AM

I think this fold, especially given positions, is standard.

juttelstud · #10 11-14-2007, 03:35 AM

Wtf, am I the only who is never calling here?