A bit of a playalong from a video hand of mine..

Entity · #1 03-15-2007, 10:45 AM

6-handed Full Tilt $.5/1. I'm recording a video for a new project of mine, The Road to Robusto (let's hope the name ends up being appropriate). It's a great game and I'm playing A+ poker at this point. Most hands involving me haven't featured a showdown.

Reads: MP is loose and fairly aggressive. The BB is overaggressive and seems to be overapplying some basic 6-max concepts; he plays a lot like I did when I didn't really understand basic poker concepts but was trying to play shorthanded anyway. From what I've seen his raising range isn't horrible (he has raised T8s after a limper and has 3bet JTs vs a somewhat tight raiser in the SB, and bet out on a 234 flop). In the T8s hand he checked it down but bet when he hit a pair of 8's on a JKxx8 board, and his hand was good (the action went limp-call; check-check; check-check; check-bet-call). The limper he isolated was loose and passive and bad (he was the same player he 3bet with JTs later). I've seen him (BB in this hand) put in 3-4 bets preflop a number of times and either fold before showdown or win without a showdown on a fair variety of boards, but I wouldn't call him maniacal. Just somewhat loose and definitely aggressive.

So yeah. Back to the hand. MP limps. I complete in the SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. BB raises. MP calls. I call. If anyone wants to discuss any aspect of preflop play bring it up here, because I generally don't include preflop in playalong hands since it makes the whole thing take a week to develop. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

The flop is J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. We're first to act and it's 3-ways to the flop for 6SB. I . . . with the intention of . . . if . . .

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Rob

neeeel · #2 03-15-2007, 10:52 AM

i fold with the intention of going to make a sandwich while i wait for the nxt hand :P

BionicComma · #3 03-15-2007, 11:21 AM

i check with the intention of folding to a bet, if checked around I reevaluate on the turn, leaning toward folding if any of the zillion scare cards come out.

Str8Fish · #4 03-15-2007, 11:23 AM

I (personally) check with the intention of folding if it's one back to me.

I tried to put villains on a range of hands, given your reads. I put it into PS:

Board: Js 9d 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
BB: 52.557% 52.14% 00.42% 12793101 102521.00 { 77+, A7s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, KTo+, QJo }
MP: 29.298% 28.88% 00.42% 7086138 102521.00 { 77-55, A7s-A2s, K8s-K5s, Q7s+, J8s, T8s, 98s, ATo-A7o, KTo-K9o, Q9o, J9o, T9o }
You: 18.146% 18.15% 00.00% 4452356 0.00 { 4d4h }

So I guess over this range, we have an 18.15% chance (~4.5:1) of either retaining the best hand or improving to the best hand by the river. What this is supposed to tell me I don't know. I just act like I know what I'm talking about sometimes.

BionicComma · #5 03-15-2007, 11:30 AM

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I (personally) check with the intention of folding if it's one back to me.

I tried to put villains on a range of hands, given your reads. I put it into PS:

Board: Js 9d 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
BB: 52.557% 52.14% 00.42% 12793101 102521.00 { 77+, A7s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, KTo+, QJo }
MP: 29.298% 28.88% 00.42% 7086138 102521.00 { 77-55, A7s-A2s, K8s-K5s, Q7s+, J8s, T8s, 98s, ATo-A7o, KTo-K9o, Q9o, J9o, T9o }
You: 18.146% 18.15% 00.00% 4452356 0.00 { 4d4h }

So I guess over this range, we have an 18.15% chance (~4.5:1) of either retaining the best hand or improving to the best hand by the river. What this is supposed to tell me I don't know. I just act like I know what I'm talking about sometimes.

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Is there a "famous post" out there that explains how to work equity into your evaluations postflop? I have done well using pot odds and implied odds, but equity remains a mystery for me.

Is this a HEFAP topic? I have that book but haven't really read it yet.

Entity · #6 03-15-2007, 11:40 AM

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I (personally) check with the intention of folding if it's one back to me.

I tried to put villains on a range of hands, given your reads. I put it into PS:

Board: Js 9d 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
BB: 52.557% 52.14% 00.42% 12793101 102521.00 { 77+, A7s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, KTo+, QJo }
MP: 29.298% 28.88% 00.42% 7086138 102521.00 { 77-55, A7s-A2s, K8s-K5s, Q7s+, J8s, T8s, 98s, ATo-A7o, KTo-K9o, Q9o, J9o, T9o }
You: 18.146% 18.15% 00.00% 4452356 0.00 { 4d4h }

So I guess over this range, we have an 18.15% chance (~4.5:1) of either retaining the best hand or improving to the best hand by the river. What this is supposed to tell me I don't know. I just act like I know what I'm talking about sometimes.

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Just for general reference, it's important to note that my equity is only that poor when MP's range is actually that narrowly definable. When his handrange is that narrow, he's almost always calling or raising that flop, but when he folds this flop, his handrange is unimportant in equity calculations. Just a thought. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Rob

bozlax · #7 03-15-2007, 11:43 AM

Interesting. It appears that you're in a good position to bet your hand and let BB protect it for you, but your read seems to say that he's not going to raise unless you're behind. You also don't appear to be in a position to get a fold from BB if you c/r a bet from MP.

Open-fold. I'm with the guy that says you should go make a sandwich.

Scary_Tiger · #8 03-15-2007, 11:47 AM

I check/fold, putting in 3 BB to see river isn't worthwhile. Versus some opponents I would check with the intention of calling if MP folded and check the turn with the hope he checks behind.

Absolution · #9 03-15-2007, 11:49 AM

You check obviously to see what the action is behind you. I'm more worried about MP than the BB because this board hits a lot of limping hands and you're in a reverse implied odds situation. If BB makes a continuation bet and MP folds I would peel one and reevaluate on the turn.

p.s. Thinly veiled advertisement is meh.

Str8Fish · #10 03-15-2007, 11:54 AM

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I (personally) check with the intention of folding if it's one back to me.

I tried to put villains on a range of hands, given your reads. I put it into PS:

Board: Js 9d 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
BB: 52.557% 52.14% 00.42% 12793101 102521.00 { 77+, A7s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, KTo+, QJo }
MP: 29.298% 28.88% 00.42% 7086138 102521.00 { 77-55, A7s-A2s, K8s-K5s, Q7s+, J8s, T8s, 98s, ATo-A7o, KTo-K9o, Q9o, J9o, T9o }
You: 18.146% 18.15% 00.00% 4452356 0.00 { 4d4h }

So I guess over this range, we have an 18.15% chance (~4.5:1) of either retaining the best hand or improving to the best hand by the river. What this is supposed to tell me I don't know. I just act like I know what I'm talking about sometimes.

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Is there a "famous post" out there that explains how to work equity into your evaluations postflop? I have done well using pot odds and implied odds, but equity remains a mystery for me.

Is this a HEFAP topic? I have that book but haven't really read it yet.

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here you go