Player out of line, Dealer asleep at the wheel

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It's possible the dealer didn't want you to stack someone who would likely hit huge suckouts and rain chips on him.

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Nah. Drunk wasnt tipping well because he was to drunk to think of anyone but himself. I tip around normal, bu tit was pretty clear the daler of think of rainbows, or square dancing or some random [censored] that wasnt more importnat this hand

[Al_Capone_Junior]

I'd kick regular and dealer both in the nuts, square.

The first time jerk opens mouth during hand I don't let it slide. I have a friggin' **** fit all over the dealer and schmuckola-boy by the time it got as far as you let it go. Then I call the floor on top of the nut-kicking, hissy, and stacking chips.

Btw, this dealer gets zero tip, except that I regail 'em with an elaborate explaination of why, after floor leaves table.

A player told me recently "most dealers are just bumps on a log, waiting around to get tipped." That really bothered me because it's so friggin' true. These schmucks don't give a fudge about poker, but they sure jump on the easy money bandwagon real fast. Now they're in but they still don't give a damn anyway. These dealers are quite lucky to ever get a buck from me. I tip extra to dealers who care about poker and try do do a good job, try to improve. I even tip extra to new dealers who aren't very good, as long as they are trying and working towards getting better.

I'm not a bump on a log. I try hard and always want to get better. I expect the same in return.

Al

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Criminey!

I'm in Al's boat in that I'm frustrated at dealers who don't respect the game. I confess I'm new to the dealer side of things, and have only been playing more than kitchen table games for a few years, but I have tremendous respect for the game and the players. The dealers who don't understand these nuances and why they're important make my job more difficult as players learn they can do crap like this.

I don't think I could go so far as to never tip the dealer again, but I would certainly give a harsh WTF?! sort of reaction immediately after the hand, and I would probably speak to a supervisor (unfortunately, the floor is the worst person to talk to, but is the person you should start with).

If I were in the box and let this slide on such a huge pot and the player stacked tens of thousands of dollars in chips and told me he was never tipping me again, I would apologize profusely and tell him he was 100% right.

This is nothing difficult to do at all, especially if it's a regular talking to a drunk. The drunk is easily distracted and will not notice me getting the attention of a regular, who should better friggin' know friggin' better. If I'm able to get his attention without the drunk noticing, I tell him in no uncertain terms to STFU. If everyone's watching and it would affect action, I try to be as, "hey, c'mon guys, leave your theories to yourselves," as possible, but still stressing that it is not acceptable to talk any further at all, with probably some glaring.

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...however...

How big of a tipper are you? It's possible the dealer didn't want you to stack someone who would likely hit huge suckouts and rain chips on him. I'm not saying this excuses his behavior, just that it makes it a little more understandable. We're all humans with weaknesses, after all, and this is the dealer's income, too. If he feels you're not looking out for his bottom line, he may feel justified in not looking out for yours.

[youtalkfunny]

My usual contrarian position, on behalf of the dealers:

Every time we tell a yapping player to shut up, WE GET THE DIRTY LOOKS. Not just from the yapping players. Other players, who see nothing wrong with such table talk, take offense to the suggestion.

All I'm saying is, next time a dealer asks a player to stop talking about the hand, and the yapper or some by-stander starts giving the dealer a hard time about it, show the dealer that you have his back! Take some of the heat for the dealer.

If the dealer has to take all the heat, don't hold your breath.

(I can't believe my SpellCheck doesn't like "contrarian".)

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Yeah, you have a point about trying to get people involved in a hand to be quiet... the best is when someone's about to fold, says, "well, I can't beat your straight or your boat, especially not with four flush cards out there," and then folds. Dude, STFU. "But I was in the hand, I can say what I want!" For those of a hand completely, it's a lot easier to get them to stop, and they usually feel sheepish and apologize. But still, some of my most ridiculous confrontations have come when I've tried to politely get someone who's in a hand to stop talking about a it, and s/he says something like, "I was just saying there was a flush out there..." Uh, yes, exactly, that's not what you're supposed to do. The contrarian attitude (hey, my spellchecker doesn't like it either... stupid Camino) is what gets the floor over, and it's a big headache and nobody likes it. Thankfully, most people just say "ok" and that's that.

So yeah, all of you, the next time a dealer says something to try to get people to act in line, and it's something that won't affect your EV, please back the dealer. It goes a very long way to control the people who feel anybody in any position of "authority" is automatically a bad person and worth challenging. And if something like this is going on and the dealer isn't doing anything and you're not in the hand, say something to the dealer! It's a very delicate balance, and can spiral out of control so quickly sometimes, and often it's not worth getting involved if the table seems ok with it. That doesn't mean I don't get involved, but it's often a big hassle. It's always easier when a player complains first.

[Mr Rick]

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All I'm saying is, next time a dealer asks a player to stop talking about the hand, and the yapper or some by-stander starts giving the dealer a hard time about it, show the dealer that you have his back! Take some of the heat for the dealer.

If the dealer has to take all the heat, don't hold your breath.

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I agree completely with this.

If anybody gives the dealer heat for trying to enforce the One Plater to a Hand rule, I will always say something in support of the dealer. And I will also ask the player if he wants to discuss it further with the Floor.

Unless of course I am the violator. Then I sheepishly apologize and pretend I am in a SouthWest airlines commercial.

[pokerswami]

This thread has some very good posts in it.

I have the same trouble with players who have folded, then subsequently react to the board cards, giving away that the flop or the turn or the river or all the above would have hit their pocket cards in some way.

Part of the trouble with one particular guy is that he brings himself, and often his daughter and son, every week to a tournament that is typically only 2 tables total. This is one of those games where everyone is used to playing with everyone else, and there is a tremendous amount of soft-playing, mainly when a hand gets down to 2-handed.

[jeffnc]

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My usual contrarian position, on behalf of the dealers:

Every time we tell a yapping player to shut up, WE GET THE DIRTY LOOKS.

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That's because you should never tell anyone to "shut up". If you can't figure out how to deal with situations such as these, then you shouldn't be a dealer. IT'S YOUR JOB. IT'S PART OF THE MINIMUM JOB REQUIREMENTS TO GET HIRED AND KEEP YOUR POSITION.

I'm not saying I know exactly how to do it. I don't know how to do heart surgery either. But then, I don't try to collect salary as a surgeon, do I?

[MicroBob]

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The first time jerk opens mouth during hand I don't let it slide. I have a friggin' **** fit all over the dealer and schmuckola-boy by the time it got as far as you let it go.

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I don't understand.
The reason he isn't speaking is because then it will be even more obvious that the regular is correct.
He was kind of trapped and was hoping the dealer would do something or that the regular would show any amount of tact.
Andy Fox's suggestion that you can just tell him not to discuss the hands is okay but it still starts to look like you've got it even more.
And, of course, I think OP was just as surprised as everyone that he continued to do it throughout the hand and not just the one time considering that he should know better.


I kind of blasted somebody else's post on here because I thought he unnecessarily started confrontations with players at the table. It was about the guy who tipped $3 in a $2k pot.
But in this situation I'm kind of sure I would consider 'starting something'. Holy crap this would irritate me and bring me to the point of almost wanting to fight the guy.
There's a very good chance it would bring an extremely rude, "WTF? STFU during the hand [censored]" out of me or something like that.
Maybe regular is trying to tilt me or something. There's a chance that breaking all 1-person-to-hand rules and telling some fish who I'm trying to stack to slow down or stop betting into me would accomplish said goal of tilting me.

Seriously, this is absolutely horrible.

Dealer should definitely be doing something here. And most dealers do when it even gets close to that.