KK - 4-bet pot against TAG - 175 bb deep.

[terp]

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pf
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equity
Hand 0: 52.900% { AA, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 47.100% { KcKd }



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flop
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Board: Qh Qs 8h

equity
Hand 0: 51.003% { AA, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 48.997% { KcKd }



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seems like call pf call flop is best but just barely +EV.

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people really need to stop overvaluing these pokerstove outputs. they present information as if two hands that can be formed the same number of ways are equally likely holdings, and so on. this is obviously not true.

i'm not sure where i'd fold here, but i think we can definitely agree he isn't playing AK/AKs/AA equally postflop, so we either need to mathematically weight the number of combinations that pokerstove can find, or adjust our numbers somewhat after reviewing its output

[Up-grey-de]

Played a similiar hand recently, and all I learned from it is to trust your instincts. During my hand the question that constantly popped up in my head was "Can he really be doing this with anything else than AA"?
The hand was very similiar to yours, and I ended up calling and he had AA of course.

I think this is a fold on the flop. Do not think that a tight player would first 4-bet here with AK, and when called, I do not think he would bet the flop because he is def putting you on a strong hand.

I also think a fold preflop is reasonable.

[Fonkey123]

Only call this v me.

[Clayton]

1 vote for fold pre because this kind of player always flatcalls QQ

[loosbastard]

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1 vote for fold pre because this kind of player always flatcalls QQ

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Yeah...especially w/ stacks.

[tony_montana]

yeah villains turn shove is pretty gross.

I only fold PF because we are so deep. For 100BB's this is so much easier right?