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#11
10-23-2007, 01:21 AM
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Re: KK - 4-bet pot against TAG - 175 bb deep.
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[ QUOTE ] gimme his range pre and post [/ QUOTE ] AA/AK probably...so if we're folding this flop we're obv putting him squarely on AA right? If that's the case, why not just fold pre? [/ QUOTE ] wait what? you have his range pre as AA/AK ? 
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#12
10-23-2007, 01:27 AM
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Re: KK - 4-bet pot against TAG - 175 bb deep.
Nicky,
You 3 bet an UTG raiser and villan has relatively tight stats (18/15). You called the CB (something I actually like) and he still pushes a full stack on the turn. Will he do this with J-J, 10-10, or A-K? This particular villan doesn't seem like the type. If villan was smart, your hand is face up when u cold call a 4 bet and then a CB. He is repping one hand and only one hand. I tend to believe him given the action.
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#13
10-23-2007, 01:31 AM
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Re: KK - 4-bet pot against TAG - 175 bb deep.
OK, I'm gonna think this one through.
A very solid player who you have never seen get out of line watches an UTG raise, and a MP 3-bet, and decides to 4-bet as the third player in, deep-stacked. Gee, I wonder what he has? Very reasonable to fold preflop here. Calling for set value is really thin. Calling to go broke on an undercard flop seems ridiculous.
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#14
10-23-2007, 01:35 AM
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Re: KK - 4-bet pot against TAG - 175 bb deep.
ty for the input guys. i would have folded the turn...but as you can see, i doctored the hand a but for posting purposes.
Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG: $200 Hero (MP): $344.95 CO: $200 BTN: $188.40 SB: $360.75 BB: $235.80 Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP) <font color="red">UTG raises to $7</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $60</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $36 Flop: ($129) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $94</font>, Hero calls $94 Turn: ($317) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $206.75 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $190.95 and is All-In River: ($698.90) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Results: $698.90 Pot ($3 Rake) Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a full house, Kings full of Queens) and WON $695.90 (+$350.95 NET) SB showed A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Queens) and LOST (-$344.95 NET)
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#16
10-23-2007, 01:42 AM
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Re: KK - 4-bet pot against TAG - 175 bb deep.
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ty for the input guys. i would have folded the turn...but as you can see, i doctored the hand a but for posting purposes. Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG: $200 Hero (MP): $344.95 CO: $200 BTN: $188.40 SB: $360.75 BB: $235.80 Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP) <font color="red">UTG raises to $7</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $60</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $36 Flop: ($129) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $94</font>, Hero calls $94 Turn: ($317) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $206.75 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $190.95 and is All-In River: ($698.90) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Results: $698.90 Pot ($3 Rake) Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a full house, Kings full of Queens) and WON $695.90 (+$350.95 NET) SB showed A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Queens) and LOST (-$344.95 NET) [/ QUOTE ] Dude... you suck. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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#17
10-23-2007, 01:43 AM
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Re: KK - 4-bet pot against TAG - 175 bb deep.
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wait what? you have his range pre as AA/AK ? [/ QUOTE ] Well and the other KK obv. And all I was trying to point out is that there's no point in calling pre if you're folding this flop since he pretty much never has a Q.
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#18
10-23-2007, 01:48 AM
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Re: KK - 4-bet pot against TAG - 175 bb deep.
i would normally never fold KK in a 4bet pot unless an A flopped, but this is one of those spots where you gotta do it.
I'd be tempted to fold the flop tbh, but I probably wouldn't. You definitely have to fold the turn though. No way does he have AK or JJ here.
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#19
10-23-2007, 01:55 AM
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Re: KK - 4-bet pot against TAG - 175 bb deep.
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[ QUOTE ] wait what? you have his range pre as AA/AK ? [/ QUOTE ] Well and the other KK obv. And all I was trying to point out is that there's no point in calling pre if you're folding this flop since he pretty much never has a Q. [/ QUOTE ] Yea I dont think this villain ever has AK here
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#20
10-23-2007, 01:56 AM
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Re: KK - 4-bet pot against TAG - 175 bb deep.
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Yea I dont think this villain ever has AK here [/ QUOTE ] then fold PF
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