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Old 10-15-2007, 09:16 PM
TheChad TheChad is offline
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Default Re: 200nl - pretty standard hand. combo draw in 3-bet pot

I shove this flop like 20-25% of the time, but I don't like doing it often. It embraces variance so much.
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Old 10-15-2007, 09:17 PM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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Default Re: 200nl - pretty standard hand. combo draw in 3-bet pot

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since the best hand he can have is TPGK.

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is a set not part of his range here?

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I was working on your assumption that we have 15 outs.
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Old 10-15-2007, 09:19 PM
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Default Re: 200nl - pretty standard hand. combo draw in 3-bet pot

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since the best hand he can have is TPGK.

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is a set not part of his range here?

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I was working on your assumption that we have 15 outs.

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ah, my bad. what about 12 outs Jay?
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Old 10-15-2007, 09:33 PM
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Default Re: 200nl - pretty standard hand. combo draw in 3-bet pot

You honestly can't really go wrong either way in this hand.

I tend to call here more than many, but given that you don't have any history, I'd raise it up here. I tend to think people aren't that strong when they first make this play, and it's some really cheap metagame.
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Old 10-15-2007, 09:46 PM
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Default Re: 200nl - pretty standard hand. combo draw in 3-bet pot

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Board: Kh Td 2d

Wins Ties Equity
54.39% 0.45% 54.85% ( AA,AK )
44.70% 0.45% 45.15% ( AdJd )



Raise/call

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come on man, why did you even waste your time posting this?

obviously I know our equity is very good, and obviously I'm not folding.

my question was which is better?

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To me knowing the equity against that range was an important thing. It also showed me what I would do, and I had thought it would be reasonably obvious why. I could elaborate more on that ofcourse, but instead of asking for that in a normal way you do this which puts me off entirely.
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Old 10-15-2007, 09:48 PM
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Default Re: 200nl - pretty standard hand. combo draw in 3-bet pot

I assume a push vs call descision

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 62.666% 62.51% 00.15% 5570 13.50 { AcAh, AcAs, AhAs, KcKd, KcKs, KdKs, TcTh, TcTs, ThTs }
Hand 1: 37.334% 37.18% 00.15% 3313 13.50 { AdJd }

x82+y(z)=0
z=.37*267 -.62*215
z=98.79-133.33
z=-34.54

82x - 34.54y =0
82x - 34.54(100 - x)=0
x=3454/116.54
x=29%

if you don't think you have 29% FE here than just call. pot will be 115, we will need to make only $15 when we hit (47-12)/12=1:3
32 *3=96, we're currently calling 32 in a 83 pot so we should make our money back and then some if we hit on the turn.

I honestly don't think you can go wrong either way here.

*I didn't even include AK in his range so realistically that means we could get by with even 26% FE
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Old 10-15-2007, 09:50 PM
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Default Re: 200nl - pretty standard hand. combo draw in 3-bet pot

I raise this alot.
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Old 10-15-2007, 10:09 PM
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Default Re: 200nl - pretty standard hand. combo draw in 3-bet pot

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Board: Kh Td 2d

Wins Ties Equity
54.39% 0.45% 54.85% ( AA,AK )
44.70% 0.45% 45.15% ( AdJd )



Raise/call

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come on man, why did you even waste your time posting this?

obviously I know our equity is very good, and obviously I'm not folding.

my question was which is better?

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To me knowing the equity against that range was an important thing. It also showed me what I would do, and I had thought it would be reasonably obvious why. I could elaborate more on that ofcourse, but instead of asking for that in a normal way you do this which puts me off entirely.

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i wasn't trying to put you off. but your post pretty much stated the obvious.
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Old 10-15-2007, 10:11 PM
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Default Re: 200nl - pretty standard hand. combo draw in 3-bet pot

don't think there is any need for more analysis here.

I raised, he shoved, I called...I missed against his set of 2s.
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Old 10-15-2007, 10:12 PM
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Default Re: 200nl - pretty standard hand. combo draw in 3-bet pot

i call the flop and then depending on how much he bets or if he bets the turn i would shove/pot the turn. makes ur hand seem stonger, like a set, rather than raising/shoving the flop which sometimes looks like "OMG COMBO DRAW, 3BET POT."

his turn play will also define his hand more as well
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