Hand reading exercise

Sushiglutton · #1 10-11-2007, 12:25 PM

I have noticed that many are making 'deep analysis'. By that I mean putting villain on a range and then calculate EV for different lines. This is very good but I think there is one part of hand reading many are missing. Try to put these players on ranges in these hands I played last night.

Good luck!

 Hand 1 

UTG is 28.6/7.1/0.4 after 14 hands
SB is 47.4/5.3/2.4 after 19 hands

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with XX.
UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG raises, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG raises, Hero folds, SB calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

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 Hand 2 

UTG is 48.1/11.1/0.6 after 25 hands
SB is 52.9/5.9/1.2 after 34 hands

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Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 7 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG raises, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (9 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG raises, SB 3-bets, UTG caps, SB calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB
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 Hand 3 

MP1 is 57.1/14.3/.3 after 7 hands
BB is 57.1/0/1 after 7 hands

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Preflop: Hero is Button with XX.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 raises, 3 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 3-bets, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls $0.50 (All-In).

Turn: (10.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls.

River: (13.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
BB bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.25 BB

Copy/paste
My anwers

Hand 1
Hero holds {}
UTG holds {}
SB holds {}

Hand 2
SB holds{}
UTGholds {}

Hand 3
BB holds{}
MP1 holds {}
Hero holds{}

Aaron W. · #2 10-11-2007, 01:13 PM

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 Hand 1 

UTG is 28.6/7.1/0.4 after 14 hands
SB is 47.4/5.3/2.4 after 19 hands

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Relatively useless stats, so I'll just assume UTG is basically sane/passive and SB is LP preflop and randomly aggressive postflop.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with XX.
UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG raises, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG raises, Hero folds, SB calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

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Hand 1
Hero holds {AJs, KJs, A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], can sushi fold an overpair on the river for two bets? Maybe also QQ}
UTG holds {QQ-JJ with an outside chance of AA-KK and 77}
SB holds {Who knows... maybe some silly hand like QJ, 76s, I don't see many hands that contain a 2 that would get that far}

Smurph64 · #3 10-11-2007, 01:42 PM

Wanna show me the 30 hands before this? Then I can Daniel it.

Hand 1 you have pocket 10's, UTG holds AJ, SB is stupid even if he wins

Hand 2 who cares they both have full house likely and they are both stupid.

Hand 3 hero has two pair, mp1 has flush straight draw probably AJ diamonds and makes a stupid call on the river or misplayed AKo earlier, BB spikes runner runner with Qx of spades.

scpi10 · #4 10-11-2007, 02:01 PM

Hand 1
Hero holds {99-1010}
UTG holds {66-77 or JJ}
SB holds {22 32 or 72}

Hand 2
SB holds{any 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]} hopefully 57 or 710 also could be 98-9Qs
UTG holds {97-92}

Hand 3
BB holds{Kx [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]}
MP1 holds {99-JJ}
Hero holds{KJs}

So these were my guesses, I don't think any are even close but I took a shot.

Aaron W. · #5 10-11-2007, 02:48 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Hand 1
Hero holds {AJs, KJs, A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], can sushi fold an overpair on the river for two bets? Maybe also QQ}

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Crap... missed the pocket pair with gutshot for sushi.

Edit: Wait.. ummmm... there's no gutshot and I'm a moran for glancing quickly at the other responses without referring back to the OP.

Riku · #6 10-11-2007, 02:53 PM

I assume hero is a good solid player (you?)

Hand1: Hero has TT or AQh/AKh, since he bets again on the turn.

Hand3: KQd makes most sense to me, why not cap flop. I don't think hero would cc KJd pf. He might cc ATd/AJd, but i don't see him calling A high on the river.

tyler_cracker · #7 10-11-2007, 03:06 PM

what's up with everyone who thinks hero should call a turn c/r with TT (or 99) in hand 1. xhad postulate ftw.

scpi10 · #8 10-11-2007, 05:52 PM

After reading the responses in hand 1 it looks like AK or AQ [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. For hero, that would be a better hand to b/c with than 99 or 10. Still, hero could call a raise with 99 or 1010 on the turn because thats how I would have played it.

Sushiglutton · #9 10-11-2007, 06:06 PM

Give ranges not single hands. If the correct hand is in the range u stated you get points. The narrower the range the more points. But if the correct hand is not in the range at all u score zero. Very clear rules, now Gogogoggogogo!

milesdyson · #10 10-11-2007, 06:11 PM

[ QUOTE ]

 Hand 1 

UTG is 28.6/7.1/0.4 after 14 hands
SB is 47.4/5.3/2.4 after 19 hands

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with XX.
UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG raises, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG raises, Hero folds, SB calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

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Hand 1
Hero holds {aa-qq, ahjh }
UTG holds {jj, 66/77 (pf thin)}
SB holds {unclear}

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 Hand 2 

UTG is 48.1/11.1/0.6 after 25 hands
SB is 52.9/5.9/1.2 after 34 hands

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Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 7 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG raises, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (9 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG raises, SB 3-bets, UTG caps, SB calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB
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Hand 2
SB holds {9x)
UTG holds {96/98/88/Tc7c}

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 Hand 3 

MP1 is 57.1/14.3/.3 after 7 hands
BB is 57.1/0/1 after 7 hands

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Preflop: Hero is Button with XX.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 raises, 3 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 3-bets, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls $0.50 (All-In).

Turn: (10.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls.

River: (13.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
BB bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.25 BB

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Hand 3
BB holds {ksxs, maybe K4}
MP1 holds {makes no sense}
Hero holds {KJs, KTs, maybe 88}