What do I believe a god can do?

[Prodigy54321]

simple question..

Why do we consider it possible for god to disobey physical laws?

How is it easier to fathom god disobeying physical laws than god disobeying logic?

from what I know, we don't know of any possible ways to disobey either?..am I right about this?

[Prodigy54321]

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If God created time, and the whole space-time thing is accurate: a circle and a square take up space - therefore if God ended time?

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the question is..can god do things that we don't consider possible?...

if so, wouldn't it mean that our understanding of the subject wasn't complete or correct?

if so, where does this stop and why?

[Prodigy54321]

sorry for my annoying questions that are either very complicated or very simple...

I'm just trying to understand how the differences between these things are significant in the sense that 1: god could disobey some, but not others...and 2: our understanding of some could be incomplete or incorrect, but not others.

[bigpooch]

Well, most mathematicians believe that both a circle and a
square do not take up ANY physical space. Also, if by what
you mean by "circle" and "square", you mean certain common
geometric objects in Euclidean 2-space, which in itself is
not physical, yes, you can define these as specific classes
of subsets of this "space". But just as the entire
"mathematical space" does not exist in physical space, all
of "philosophical space" does not exist in either physical
or mathematical space.

Whether or not God or any being can alter "mathematical
space" or not is probably beyond human grasp; similarly,
for "philosophical space", in which entities such as
"truth", "existence", and "concept" are found.

Nevertheless, it's my view (not an uncommon one) that some
entities and truths must exist necessarily.

[John21]

Maybe God created the laws, so it wouldn't necessarily a violation as much as a rescindment.

Maybe some of the lurkers, who are more up on the Big Bang, can explain how the laws of the universe had to be inherent in the singularity.

[Lestat]

The problem/difference for me is that I can conceive of most physical laws being broken. I can picture the Red sea parting, for instance. I cannot conceive of a square circle. And the reason I can't conceive of such is that this (to me), is nothing more than a contradiction of words. Opposites if you will. Can God create a hot something that is cold? A tall something that is short? Of course not. But I can conceive of Jesus walking on water, or feeding hundreds of people from an endless supply of fish from a small basket, turning water into wine, etc., etc.

The square circle analogy just doesn't work for me. It's like saying can God create an even number that is odd? In my mind, the ability to do anything isn't even the same subject.

[Lestat]

See my post above. I think that explains it. Or at least my view anyway.

[Prodigy54321]

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Maybe God created the laws, so it wouldn't necessarily a violation as much as a recindment.


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focus my friends, focus...the question for this and any other opinion about one of them is..

how is this different from the other? or is in the same?

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Maybe God created the laws

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I assume you are talking about physical laws...

could he have created the laws of logic?

also, it doesn't matter what christianity or any other religions says happened..it is, what COULD he do..

[Prodigy54321]

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The problem/difference for me is that I can conceive of most physical laws being broken. I can picture the Red sea parting, for instance. I cannot conceive of a square circle. And the reason I can't conceive of such is that this (to me), is nothing more than a contradiction of words. Opposites if you will. Can God create a hot something that is cold? A tall something that is short? Of course not. But I can conceive of Jesus walking on water, or feeding hundreds of people from an endless supply of fish from a small basket, turning water into wine, etc., etc.

The square circle analogy just doesn't work for me. It's like saying can God create an even number that is odd? In my mind, the ability to do anything isn't even the same subject.

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questions that just popped into my mind..they may lead somewhere in a moment so bare with me...

you say that something cannot be both hot and cold

so, can something be 30 degrees F and 70 degrees F at the same time?

[John21]

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so, can something be 30 degrees F and 70 degrees F at the same time?


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All your questions are implying relatives. Once you say there's an inside you imply an outside.