Early in satellite vs chipleader

runout_mick · #1 10-01-2007, 05:06 AM

No reads, new to table. Trying to get my tourney legs back after playing ring games almost exclusively for the last year or so.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 (t3355)
CO (t860)
Button (t2775)
SB (t5900)
Hero (t3430)
UTG (t2745)
UTG+1 (t1155)
MP1 (t4135)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, 4 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t150) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets t100, Hero calls t100, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (t350) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t150, Hero raises to t550, SB calls t400.

River: (t1450) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t850

Fair enough?

Edit: FWIW, he used his timer before calling my turn raise.

bookish · #2 10-01-2007, 08:45 AM

I don't like the river bet at all. Its about 1/2 the pot and is essentially a bluff. You've fired at the turn when your draws improved and he's called, after using his timer.
Some villains use this to "show weakness" and disguise a monster.

You are ahead of a missed draw, so you wouldn't want to bet there - and if he has a strong hand he's likely to be checking to induce a bluff. I'd check this river. If the turn card hadn't paired you your river bet makes much more sense.

I like it up until then though.

EDIT: What was the buy-in?

levAA · #3 10-01-2007, 09:27 AM

I think the river bet is necessarily if he want's to finish this bluff.
He calls the first shot, the turn bet is weakish and he raises - we see a lot of calls in this spot from people who don't think.

I think the river-bet is fine - most of the time this should chase him off.

I like it - welcome back to tournament poker.

ChipSpeak · #4 10-01-2007, 12:23 PM

I like it too, as lev said, that turn bet is weak, we can't just give up this pot.

SwingVelvet · #5 10-01-2007, 12:39 PM

i see you mentioned no reads, but buyin amount and stage of the tournament can be a read in itself, you can also check stats

i use stats all the time, in this case i'd argue that against a good player, you could fire that river bluff

against a donkey that will call me with any J, i'd just check and hope to see a missed draw

runout_mick · #6 10-01-2007, 12:55 PM

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If the turn card hadn't paired you your river bet makes much more sense.

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This is the main reason for posting this hand.

My plan when raising the turn was to moderately bluff the river if I didn't improve. My difficulty was in deciding if the 5 helped me enough that I could rely on showdown value enough to check, or if I had to follow through with my bluff. (Holy run-on sentanceaments!) At the time, I decided he was much more likely to be on a weak made hand than a missed draw.

As it turned out, he folded and it's driving me nuts. Because my play worked, it's impossible to judge if it was good or not [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

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EDIT: What was the buy-in?

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$40 freezeout satellite.

Dalek · #7 10-01-2007, 02:14 PM

Grunch

I don't like the river bet. There are no worse hands that will call and i don't think any better hands would fold.

tomek322 · #8 10-01-2007, 02:36 PM

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Grunch

I don't like the river bet. There are no worse hands that will call and i don't think any better hands would fold.

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QT, T8... fold. Edit: possibly even get a fold out of a jack. You raised the 9, and theoretically bet the river for value with the 9. Unless he can see thru your soul, I see plenty of better hands that fold.

Sherman · #9 10-01-2007, 02:50 PM

I'd call the turn pretty quickly. No sense in re-opening the action when he is giving your great odds + implied odds to hit your big draw.

JARID · #10 10-01-2007, 03:37 PM

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There are no worse hands that will call and i don't think any better hands would fold.

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After "way ahead way behind", this is quickly becoming the most often mis-used maxim in this forum.

Jarid