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#12
08-09-2006, 02:09 PM
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Re: 25NL: Raise, call, call, call (leak alert!)
"Pot the Flop??"
I'm not sure what that means? 
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#13
08-09-2006, 02:23 PM
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Re: 25NL: Raise, call, call, call (leak alert!)
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[ QUOTE ] Raise the turn to define your hand. Calling gives you no clue where your at when you improve your hand. [/ QUOTE ] I never precisely know when the following statement applies: "I think raising here will fold worse hands and only better hands call". Is this the case here? [/ QUOTE ] I REALLY would like to know this, b/c this thread seems to be getting different advice.
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#14
08-09-2006, 02:28 PM
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Re: 25NL: Raise, call, call, call
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I like rasing this flop to $5.5. You may be able to take it down right there. [/ QUOTE ] I don't like raising after UTG flatcall. He will often be on FD and he will rarely fold.
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#15
08-09-2006, 02:31 PM
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Re: 25NL: Raise, call, call, call (leak alert!)
I think that that $.75 bet, espcially on the turn looks like a chop bet.
He bet the flop into the pre-flop raiser, who also has position. His bet doesn't look like a value bet and he obviously isn't trying to push anyone out. He may think you were trying to steal the pot with your pre-flop raise. UTG, I have no idea or any read on this guy and I am guessing that both are either drawing or have a Q or a J in their hand. If I am in their shoes and I see the pre-flop raiser just smooth-call I feel I am getting a good price to see another card. If the A hits and all of the sudden the pfr comes alive with a raise of 1/2 the pot, then I am not staying unless I have something...Ks,Qs something like a pair with a straight or flush draw or even 2 pr. I really need more info on your read. If UTG is loose and chases, then I feel good about the $4 raise. If he is tight, then it is questionable, but I want him to have to make the tough decisions and right now with just calling he is getting easy decisions.
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#17
08-09-2006, 02:41 PM
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Re: 25NL: Raise, call, call, call
Are you playing not to lose? Or are you playing for their stacks?
If you are playing not to lose, then your play was just fine. If you are playing for their stacks, they you need to bet something on the Turn. I wouldn't go above $4 but i might drop it down to just $2.50. Bet enough to make it wrong for a drawing hand to continue in this pot, but enough that if they call and don't make your hand, you win more than you would loose. Obviously with that River you aren't putting any more money into the pot unless you have to call a small bet with 10:1 odds. The point is you want to take their stacks. By betting $4 not only are they making a mistake by calling on a draw, but they are also risking you putting them all in on the River. Obviously not this River, but any card that doensn't complete a flush draw, a straight draw or pair the board. You have them covered and if they are going to play against you then they are going to have to risk their stack. If they have you beat here they will call or re-raise. If the River is an A or 9 and they make their flush or straight then you are going to stack them, if it is anything else, then you are not going to put anymore money in unless they give you increadible odds to call.
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#19
08-09-2006, 06:07 PM
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Re: 25NL: Raise, call, call, call (leak alert!)
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[ QUOTE ] Mmmm, what? Pot the flop. [/ QUOTE ] Is this still a good idea considering the presence of the other villain? [/ QUOTE ] Calling a 1/5 pot bet doesn't count as being present. I would almost always raise/checkraise after this type of action.
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