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Old 09-18-2007, 05:51 PM
PokerBob PokerBob is offline
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Default readless with top trips

just sat down in a 3handed game.

i raise the button with AKo and both blinds call.

flop A23r

i bet, they call.

turn Ar

i bet, sb folds, bb c/rs, i....are we 3betting here all day? how do we handle a cap if we don't improve on the river?
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Old 09-18-2007, 06:09 PM
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Default Re: readless with top trips

The only reason not to 3-bet is if you think you make more money by raising river. If he's more straightforward I would just 3-bet, but the more he bluffs the more inclined I would be to wait until the river.

If we're capped on turn, I don't think we can raise river, although c/c c/r with a hand that can beat AK on this board is pretty loony.
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Old 09-18-2007, 06:14 PM
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Default Re: readless with top trips

you are barely a favorite even if we don't discount AQs and A6 which imo we definitely should. almost all better hands are 4betting. 3betting is bad.
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Old 09-18-2007, 06:37 PM
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you are barely a favorite even if we don't discount AQs and A6 which imo we definitely should. almost all better hands are 4betting. 3betting is bad.

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???

How could a better hand not 4-bet? 45, A3, A2, 22, 33, any of these hands thinks they have the nuts rightfully so.
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Old 09-18-2007, 06:38 PM
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Default Re: readless with top trips

I 3-bet the turn since you're likely way ahead of his range. I probably just call down on the river UI if he caps, although I think you're very ahead of an unknown here in a 3 handed-game.
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:04 PM
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Default Re: readless with top trips

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you are barely a favorite even if we don't discount AQs and A6 which imo we definitely should. almost all better hands are 4betting. 3betting is bad.

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???

How could a better hand not 4-bet? 45, A3, A2, 22, 33, any of these hands thinks they have the nuts rightfully so.

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yeah shouldn't have said that.

although speaking of ???? what do you mean by:

"although c/c c/r with a hand that can beat AK on this board is pretty loony. "

also, it's weird that you pick that comment when you're saying 4bet and maybe raise river and I'm saying call down.
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:05 PM
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Default Re: readless with top trips

how much does the turn card change things?
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:09 PM
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at first i thought 3bet, but after stoving a bit you should def call down.
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:37 PM
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Hang on a minute - for not 3 betting to be correct we have to assume the guy just called the flop with aces up or a wheel in a 3 way pot when he had the SB trapped, and no reason to believe you would bet the turn for him. A guy that does this sucks, and a guy that sucks can clearly have any ace here on the turn. GAS.

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Old 09-18-2007, 07:42 PM
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Default Re: readless with top trips

is this live? online? what game?

i think it matters a lot, if its online, instantly three bet.

live it obviously depends who it is, but id say against 75% of people im three betting
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