6/12 Live: Extraction with Nut Flush

[jesse8888]

Here is dealt K4 clubs in the BB.
Folds to CO who limps.
SB completes
Hero checks

Reads:
CO is an and old man who is very loose pre and post flop and rather aggressive after the flop.
SB is a young, big dude with lots of tattoos who is frequently calling everyone else at the table names like moron, idiot, calling station, and donkey. I have no read on his actual play, but he is quite a jerk. At present there is an empty seat between us I'm hoping will be filled soon.

Flop:

Ac 6c 9d


SB bets
Hero calls(?)
CO calls


Turn:

Ac 6c 9d 2c (Hero has nut flush)


SB bets
Hero calls(?)
CO calls


River:

Ac 6c 9d 2c Qh

Sb bets
Hero raises(?)

I wanted to raise sooner, but he just kept betting at me. Could I have gotten more out of this hand?

[HollywoodDB]

I would have raised the turn.

[mrcunningham]

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I would have raised the turn.

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Hero has position, and raise will not push a set or two pair out. Why not go for the overcall on the turn and raise a bet on the river as the OP has done. Seems like his line is pretty good.

[James.]

you played it fine.

i raise the flop with most nut-draws, but given the itty bitty pot calling has more merit.

here's the thing. raising the turn or river isn't going to make a ton of difference. you are going to get alot of action when it's a big hand over big hand situation. if that's the case, money's going in regardless of where you raise.

[HollywoodDB]

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I would have raised the turn.

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Hero has position, and raise will not push a set or two pair out. Why not go for the overcall on the turn and raise a bet on the river as the OP has done. Seems like his line is pretty good.

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Yeah, I agree, it's fine. The same amount goes in on the turn either way and maybe CO has a Club and will call 2 cold or maybe he has nothing and will fold for 1 bet. Maybe his line is better, but I think it's fine either way.

[PokerBob]

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I would have raised the turn.

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that is because you play good.

[PokerBob]

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I would have raised the turn.

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Hero has position, and raise will not push a set or two pair out. Why not go for the overcall on the turn and raise a bet on the river as the OP has done.

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this turn is a raise. if we raise and the other guy folds, we get 2 BB to go in. if we just call, the other guy may call, and still 2 BB go in but we have to beat 2 guys in this pot, not just 1. if the guy behind us has a hand that could potentially beat us, he is gonna call 2 cold on that turn. give him the chance to do it by raising.

[gobbledygeek]

Isn't the turn a must raise? If CO is on a straight draw or perhaps has a high club and whiffs the river, we get 2 bets out of him on a turn raise rather than just 1 bet (maybe even more if SB 3bets). And if CO does end up with a hand that's he's gonna call 1 or 2 river bets with, we can't be guaranteed that SB is gonna lead river so we might not even get our chance to raise.

[jesse8888]

Results:

They both had weak pairs and no clubs. I raised the river, CO folded (he said he had folded a 9), and SB tabled A4 before calling my bet and said "I didn't hear him say raise? Doesn't he have to say raise?" to which I responded "It's a visual game". (I did say raise, actually, while putting 12 chips in the pot in one smooth motion). He then threw his hand in the muck without calling my last bet. Yeesh.

[BigBadBabar]

raising the turn instead of the river is markedly better and preferable. let's be EV oriented and not results oriented.