$16 Stars Turbo. AJs - Level 4.

kyro · #1 07-07-2007, 12:46 AM

I thought this was a relatively interesting hand. I am very open to how everyone else would play it, because I am far from convinced my way is optimal.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t1860)
BB (t2315)
UTG (t2620)
UTG+1 (t1280)
MP1 (t740)
MP2 (t1150)
CO (t1460)
Button (t2075)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t100, 2 folds, MP2 calls t100, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t400) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets t300, Hero folds, BB folds, UTG folds.

Final Pot: t700

All players are readless. I'm new to the $16s (with many thanks to a certain someone), and I have plenty tables going. Thoughts on both preflop and flop are welcome, and if you plan on going past the flop, your plan for the turn. Thanks.

pineapple888 · #2 07-07-2007, 12:54 AM

I might PVS preflop OOP if I thought there was a good chance to take it down (i.e. villains were limptards). But calling is reasonable given the stack sizes and since you say you had no reads.

ZOMG bet the flop. As played, ZOMG don't fold to the bet. Call then play for cheap showdown from there if you aren't going to bet out.

AMT · #3 07-07-2007, 01:01 AM

with a couple more limpers im more likely to PVS but it is an ok spot to do it in for sure....calling preflop is also reasonable. as played on the flop you really need to bet out, you still likely have the best hand and check/folding TPTK even on a monotone flop is really weak and giving up value IMO. if you face resistance you can reevaluate.

pineapple888 · #4 07-07-2007, 01:09 AM

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with a couple more limpers im more likely to PVS but it is an ok spot to do it in for sure....calling preflop is also reasonable. as played on the flop you really need to bet out, you still likely have the best hand and check/folding TPTK even on a monotone flop is really weak and giving up value IMO. if you face resistance you can reevaluate.

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Hey, well said. I take back everything in my post.

AMT · #5 07-07-2007, 01:32 AM

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with a couple more limpers im more likely to PVS but it is an ok spot to do it in for sure....calling preflop is also reasonable. as played on the flop you really need to bet out, you still likely have the best hand and check/folding TPTK even on a monotone flop is really weak and giving up value IMO. if you face resistance you can reevaluate.

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Hey, well said. I take back everything in my post.

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hey, last time i checked, posters looking for opinions wanted more than one reply from someone that they have not seen around this forum in quite some time (or at all for many of the n00bs).

but i will certainly be sure to end all of my posts from now on with the copyright information you've so graciously provided.

pwned.

pineapple888 · #6 07-07-2007, 01:38 AM

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with a couple more limpers im more likely to PVS but it is an ok spot to do it in for sure....calling preflop is also reasonable. as played on the flop you really need to bet out, you still likely have the best hand and check/folding TPTK even on a monotone flop is really weak and giving up value IMO. if you face resistance you can reevaluate.

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Hey, well said. I take back everything in my post.

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hey, last time i checked, posters looking for opinions wanted more than one reply from someone that they have not seen around this forum in quite some time (or at all for many of the n00bs).

but i will certainly be sure to end all of my posts from now on with the copyright information you've so graciously provided.

pwned.

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Dude, you've gotten grumpy in your old age. No harshin my mellow. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

P.S. Note the number of posts of OP. Re-pwned. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

AMT · #7 07-07-2007, 02:01 AM

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with a couple more limpers im more likely to PVS but it is an ok spot to do it in for sure....calling preflop is also reasonable. as played on the flop you really need to bet out, you still likely have the best hand and check/folding TPTK even on a monotone flop is really weak and giving up value IMO. if you face resistance you can reevaluate.

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Hey, well said. I take back everything in my post.

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hey, last time i checked, posters looking for opinions wanted more than one reply from someone that they have not seen around this forum in quite some time (or at all for many of the n00bs).

but i will certainly be sure to end all of my posts from now on with the copyright information you've so graciously provided.

pwned.

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Dude, you've gotten grumpy in your old age. No harshin my mellow. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

P.S. Note the number of posts of OP. Re-pwned. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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hey man i just have to dish it out as it comes, got to protect my honor here, dont worry about it [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

and to yellow,

what is raising to 500 going to accomplish? youre going to bloat this huge pot oop and bank on hitting and not getting any value out of a big hand you flop and basically putting yourself in a really awkward spot in a big pot with an awkward stack size. shoving pf>raising to 500 after 3 limpers out of the sb

kyro · #8 07-07-2007, 10:57 AM

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with a couple more limpers im more likely to PVS but it is an ok spot to do it in for sure....calling preflop is also reasonable. as played on the flop you really need to bet out, you still likely have the best hand and check/folding TPTK even on a monotone flop is really weak and giving up value IMO. if you face resistance you can reevaluate.

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Hey, well said. I take back everything in my post.

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So nice to have you back.

PokahPokah · #9 07-07-2007, 11:44 AM

i would call flop bet, i like pre flop tbh aj aint that great. if no heart falls down on turn/river im probly check/calling down

durron597 · #10 07-07-2007, 12:29 PM

preflop i love the limp, i dont want to build a big pot with a crappy hand oop

on the flop i'm checking because at this level too many ppl call my one bet and then i have to decide on the turn if they have a flush draw when the 4th heart hits when a lot of times they'll just have QxJx etc. if it goes bet/raise i can easily muck. if it checks around and the turn isn't a heart then i'm leading out. when it goes check check bet back to me, calling sucks but i'm actually going to raise here, willing to get myself allin against AhXx or a dominated jack. too many ppl call here with any jack or any big heart but i don't want to cripple myself by folding on the turn.

i know that probably wasn't very coherent but if someone can give me a reason why checkraising unless 2 ppl put chips in the pot is bad (even if it goes bet/call i would fold prob)