50nl 6max: 22 vs ??? Can i make him fold?

[meleader2]

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Fold preflop. I'm serious.

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Calling PF for set value is fine, IMO.

[/ QUOTE ]It's not spew but this is the kind of player I should think would be raising very wide from CO. When you miss, MOST of the time you end up c/f (like if he cbet here). You can't profitably call and c/r any flop. 3betting is too loose IMO. When you do make a set you get paid off so infrequently and this hand is impossible to play postflop OOP... I just fold it.

I call on the button FWIW.

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y does everyone ignore the 18pfa stat here? do you not notice this? if i hit a 2 and he cbets i'm getting alot of $ here. is that inconceivable?

suddenly he checks flop. he clearly doesn't have an ace, but i can't just bet the turn and give up if called. i could just give up completely, but i have NOT made any moves at all yet at this table.

i mean really, i might as well have 77 here cuz it's the same situation. and if i said i had 77 in my OP i'm sure the responses would be different.

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Wait, what does 18pfa mean? Heh. I assume preflop aggression. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

What his attempt to steal?

[NeverScurred]

I assume 18 pfa is postflop aggression, meaning this guy is an aggromonkey spewtard idiot.

[vixticator]

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I assume 18 pfa is postflop aggression, meaning this guy is an aggromonkey spewtard idiot.

[/ QUOTE ]Ugh, nevermind. Brainfart. That doesn't necessarily means he'll spew with ATC facing agression. I guesss possible. Need actual reads like how he plays postflop.

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1 y does everyone ignore the 18pfa stat here? do you not notice this? if i hit a 2 and he cbets i'm getting alot of $ here. is that inconceivable?

2 suddenly he checks flop. he clearly doesn't have an ace, but i can't just bet the turn and give up if called. i could just give up completely, but i have NOT made any moves at all yet at this table.

3 i mean really, i might as well have 77 here cuz it's the same situation. and if i said i had 77 in my OP i'm sure the responses would be different.

[/ QUOTE ]1. Depends how you intend to play it. If you c/r flop with a deuce, probably not getting much money. You'd need to let him hang himself on two or three streets and raise/shove. If he's somewhat smart you aren't getting anything other than a cbet and maybe a double barrell every now and then. Sample size too. I've run infinite aggro through 70 hands playing 25/25 a few times and not spewing.

2. Because he checks the flop does not mean he clearly has no Ace. This could easily be a weak Ace using the FLOP as pot control, inducing a bluff on the turn, etc. I do this a lot. Betting the turn is clearly something you should do though. Once you get called c/f or c/r the river are all fine.

3. No, but I wouldn't fold 77 pf. Sometimes 3bet, or call. Then do same as you did but more likely to take a different river line because folding out best hand is unlikely by leading and you could show it down cheaply.

[DMACM]

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y does everyone ignore the 18pfa stat here? do you not notice this? if i hit a 2 and he cbets i'm getting alot of $ here. is that inconceivable?

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you arent calling for set value to win a cbet. Id rather call a preflop raise vs someone with a 3pfa since odds of stacking an overpair are much better than stacking air. The question on whether to call preflop IMO comes down to whether he will spew several barrels with weak hands either bluffing or calling too light. A cbet isnt enough when u only hit a set 1 out of 7.5 times.

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he clearly doesn't have an ace,

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I thought a weak ace was a likely hand for him, this is how I might play one vs you.