Support the troops?

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This is what our president (the one that looks just like Conan o'Brien)

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lol, Late night with connan o' brien during Finland's presidential election cycle (for a solid month and a half or so) was pure gold. Did they actually air those commercials he made (besides on the show I guess)?

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Reading comprehension FTW!! Something tells me (certainly not AlexM's post) that he does think all your examples were illegal acts of war.

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Independent Clause: "Neither Congress nor the President has the power to send troops into a foreign country without a declaration of war"
Dependent Clause: "something Congress hasn't done since WWII".

Per his dependent clause, he claims the last declaration of war occurred in WW2.
Per his independent clause, he claims sending troops abroad are illegal without a declaration of war.

Therefore to be consistent with his statement, he must claim Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Serbia, Gulf War I, and Gulf War II are all illegal wars.... After all, these wars occurred after WW2 and per his dependent clause there have been no declaration of wars since WW2. Yes?

I'm not sure why you are faulting my reading comprehension. His sentence is basic independent-dependent clause sentence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clause

[Iq75]

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This is what our president (the one that looks just like Conan o'Brien)

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lol, Late night with connan o' brien during Finland's presidential election cycle (for a solid month and a half or so) was pure gold. Did they actually air those commercials he made (besides on the show I guess)?


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Yes, the shows were very funny. Especially since an american show was "trying" to get a socialist elected.

They did not use the "adds" in the campaign. I dont think that that would have been appropriate. But the TV station obviously advertised the show with the finnish/Halonen aspect very heavily.

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and you certainly haven't seen any of any at GITMO with a face included in the picture.

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When i did the searches, i did not find a lot of pictures from wich one could see the prisoners face, but some nevertheless.

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if I could push a button, and dematerialize all the munitions of the troops in Iraq, I would. They don't have the right to be there period.

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I don't hold the value of a US soldiers life any higher than that of an Iraqi insurgent's life, therefore what I support is not having a State and having non-military ways to resolve conflicts.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Pillow fights FTW!

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You will never get it.

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Shake,

I get it. He supports a fantasy world where human beings don't act like human beings.

Also, the US already has non-military ways to resolve conflict.

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and you certainly haven't seen any of any at GITMO with a face included in the picture.

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When i did the searches, i did not find a lot of pictures from wich one could see the prisoners face, but some nevertheless.

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so you made my point and even that is light years away from having some dude at GITMO sit down and tell everybody back home he is a criminal and that he's sorry, etc.

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PSA: The Korean war was a UN effort, not a unilateral US effort.

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First, the subject is the US Constitution and the powers of the Commander-In-Chief to authorize military force. The previous poster claimed that the 2nd iraq war is illegal because Congress did not authorize an invasion of Iraw using the words 'we declare war on iraq'.
So where are you going with this red herring?

Second, do you know what the word "unilateral" means? I wonder if you do.....
There are many nations helping us in Iraq including Poland, Denmark, UK, Japan, etc... If you said 'bilateral' then I could understand your point that the US/UK make up the bulk of the coalition forces. The fact that other smaller countries have contributed forces demonstrates more larger base of support than you try to falsely ignore....

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El Salvador, Ukraine, and Some African countries too.

Just thought I'd help you let ppl know how many countries are actually over here.

[ShakeZula06]

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I get it. He supports a fantasy world where human beings don't act like human beings.

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ACism actually gells with human being's natural (or societally learned if you prefer) tendencies. We know human beings act in their best interests, so wouldn't it be best for society that when people act in their best interests it's NOT to the detriment of others (ie a trait that follows governments of all types in history. for instance it's kinda hard to war profiteer when you have to fund it yourself. You don't think halliburton would have invaded Iraq themselves, do you?
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Also, the US already has non-military ways to resolve conflict.

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You mean like an interventionalist foreign policy that includes CIA run assassinations?

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ACism actually gells with human being's natural (or societally learned if you prefer) tendencies. We know human beings act in their best interests, so wouldn't it be best for society that when people act in their best interests it's NOT to the detriment of others (ie a trait that follows governments of all types in history. for instance it's kinda hard to war profiteer when you have to fund it yourself. You don't think halliburton would have invaded Iraq themselves, do you?
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You mean like an interventionalist foreign policy that includes CIA run assassinations?

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I think you have the whole "human nature" and "government" thing completely backwards. You make it sound as if government is an impediment to a more peaceful society. But as bad as government can be, it's whole purpose is to put limits on human nature. People are often irrational. They become drug addicts. They lie and steal. They cheat. They hit each other. They occasionally kill each other over jealousy, or money, or religion, or skin color, or card games, or prestige, or honor, etc. There are plenty of reasons to hurt and kill each other.

Government provides a framework of rules for people to live with each other. But just like sports without referees can devolve into chaos, government serves as a referee of sorts. It demands conformity to what its leaders determine to be acceptable patterns of behavior. And their demands are backed up by police with guns who are further backed up by armies with more guns. The beauty of representative democracy with built-in checks and balances is that there is a minimum of abuse of those powers. Are there still abuses from time to time? Sure. But they are less than in a monarchy--and much less than in an anarchy, market-driven or otherwise.

The United States is really the product of a great experiment in representative democracy written by people who distrusted central powers because they knew that absolute power would corrupt absolutely. Don't like what the CIA is doing? Vote for another president. Vote for other congressmen. Run for congress yourself. At least no one in the US government will cut your head off and post the video to utube if they don't like your politics.

As for not supporting our troops, that is rubbish. The military has made many mistakes. They can always find room to improve. But you will be hard pressed to find a military bigger, better trained, and better equipped to take on US soldiers, sailors and marines and win in any large engagement. Even in the current war, when the US focused on a city like Felluja, the US took the city.

So, while the military if far from perfect, it's pretty close to the most professional, best educated, best equipped and best trained military in history.

And when we bring the troops home and Iraq gets worse, as it probably will, it won't be for lack of trained troops with good equipment so much as a failed strategy based on the faulty premises that "Western-style democracy is good for everybody, and every moron knows it regardless of their history, religion, economic conditions, and unfriendly neighbors," along with "Surely they will eventually realize that we just want to help them help themselves if we just stick with it long enough."