Club UBT offering "skill-based" online poker and blackjack - Page 2

oldbookguy · #11 06-25-2007, 11:27 AM

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why is this any more "skill-based" than regular online poker?

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It is not, the point is poker is no less a game of skill than the other card games that are considered skill!

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MiltonFriedman · #12 06-25-2007, 11:28 AM

This does not escape the UIGE. Their tournaments have no greater element of skill than any other poker tournament.

oldbookguy · #13 06-25-2007, 11:33 AM

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This does not escape the UIGE. Their tournaments have no greater element of skill than any other poker tournament.

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It does not have to if the UIGEA does not apply to AOL Games, MSN Games and such via www.worldinner.com a U S Based company.

Poker only needs to be consider equal in 'skill' as say Solitaire, Free Cell, Hearts, Spades and such that are 'skill' games and not subject to the UIGEA.

By the way, world winner is 53% owned by Liberty Media. Both are U S companies and Liberty is in the process of buying the remaining 47% of Fun Technologies, the parent company of World Winner.

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jackaaron · #14 06-25-2007, 12:35 PM

Probably doesn't mean anything, but has anyone played these on here, and are there any table screen shots? Just curious.

oldbookguy · #15 06-25-2007, 12:54 PM

Same as Ultimate Bet.

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MiltonFriedman · #16 06-25-2007, 05:35 PM

Basically, in my view, the UIGE Act does not apply to poker. however, the Regulations' and the Banks' view is what will count.

This will be interesting, in terms of how "skill games" on AOL et cetera are to be exempted from the Regs. The definition for "skill" will be a bitch to write. My point is that, if this ClubUB scheme flies, so will any poker tournament site, US based or not.

It is very interesting that UB/Absolute came "onshore" by providing software.

oldbookguy · #17 06-25-2007, 07:46 PM

yes, most interesting indeed.

If poker is not allowed but the other 'skill' games are then there is real merit to at least a portion of the IMEGA or any other lawsuit.

Equal protection / consideration.

Additionally it will provide fire power to any other country suing the U.S. along with A-B.

I would hope Jerry in his talks with Antigua has at least made them aware of this other Interstate Gaming allowed in the U.S. besides Horse Racing!

I e-mailed the WTO and the UK trade office concerning this.

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MiltonFriedman · #18 06-25-2007, 08:22 PM

Forgive my ignorance, but who is Jerry ?

oldbookguy · #19 06-25-2007, 08:45 PM

Sorry, my typo, Jay.

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JPFisher55 · #20 06-25-2007, 08:49 PM

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yes, most interesting indeed.

If poker is not allowed but the other 'skill' games are then there is real merit to at least a portion of the IMEGA or any other lawsuit.

Equal protection / consideration.

Additionally it will provide fire power to any other country suing the U.S. along with A-B.

I would hope Jerry in his talks with Antigua has at least made them aware of this other Interstate Gaming allowed in the U.S. besides Horse Racing!

I e-mailed the WTO and the UK trade office concerning this.

obg

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I think that these sites offering these games show the vaguenesss of the UIGEA and the skill issue. I wonder if the DOJ considers these sites to be violating the Wire Act. How could they state that online poker is illegal, but not online backgammon, which has as much chance as poker.