25NL Flush on Turn how to proceed?

[Esau fos]

Sometimes I find myself in situations where I realy don't know what would be the optimal way to proceed. Just like the situation in this hand.
my questions are:
- how would you proceed against different type of players in these type of situations?(all suit flop and hitting flush on turn)
- Should I play this hand on the flop different?

I have no reads

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $26.45
UTG+1: $36.82
Hero: $25.44
Button: $24.74
SB: $29.01
BB: $24.65

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $3</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6.35, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $4</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($14.35, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero...</font>

[il_martilo]

I check yet again, although you need to CR semi bluff the flop IMO. Let him keep bluffing here, if he's aggro, he'll bet.

[Arp220]

nit - c/r the flop because if the flush hits you're unlikely to get any action.

tag - c/r the turn

lag - c/c the turn and let him hang himself

[DawnToDusk]

We don't know if the player is a nit/TAG/LAG yet. OP does ask what you would do against different players but has no reads so really I don't know if he was confused or not.

What line do you take to maximize your expecatation against all these players?

[Esau fos]

@Dawntodusk: I don't really understand what you mean by confused. But I wasn't during the hand. After the hand was played I was thinking about the way to extract max value in this situation and how to think about it.
this villain isn't a LAG seeing the short period of his play. More in the range nit/TAG
I really liked the post with the extended thought.thanks!

[genius55]

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@Dawntodusk: I don't really understand what you mean by confused. But I wasn't during the hand. After the hand was played I was thinking about the way to extract max value in this situation and how to think about it.
this villain isn't a LAG seeing the short period of his play. More in the range nit/TAG
I really liked the post with the extended thought.thanks!

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extracting maximum value is very difficult in these spots. If he has the hand he is representing preflop which a big pair or ak/aq then it's quite possible he has like two red queens/kings or aces. in that case he is not going to put any more money in regardless for the most part. we have to consider that he may have qq with the q of spades or aa with the ace of spades or maybe even ak with the ace of spades.
so it's actually kind of complicated how to play the turn because when you bet you lose hands that are drawing dead alot of the time and trap yourself versus hands containing the ace of spades. this is why checking the turn is the option i typically take, not necessarily because i am going to fold to a turn bet, but to try to get more infromation from him based on what he does.

[You're No Daisy]

Check/call the turn and shove the river. Shoving the river will make villain go, "why would he shove?" He might just look you up.

AC

[NeverScurred]

I'm 4betting him here preflop. I don't mind a flat call in position, but OOP without initiative you're just gonna be check/folding most flops, and much of the time you'll be folding the best hand. Having to hit to win in in a big pot with small implied odds sucks.

As played, CRAI turn if he bets any reasonable amount. If he checks, lead river.


As played, probably c/r

[bsball8806]

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Check/call the turn and shove the river. Shoving the river will make villain go, "why would he shove?" He might just look you up.


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Shoving river is probably the only thing worse than c/f the river. He won't call you with anything other then the As or 8s10s.

Just lead out the turn, c/r will fold out everything worse, and get you called by the 2 hands that beat you. Plus, there's always the possibility he checks like 2pr or a set behind, and the board pairs on the end.

[DawnToDusk]

But don't you think betting out on the turn allows our opponent to play correctly? He can probably deduce that we have some strength in our hand because we raised PF and then called a 3bet. If we bet he can fold hands that are worse than ours. If we check he may take a stab at the pot with hands that are worse than ours and then we can come over the top and he may just call feeling priced in. I feel like checking will let him make the most mistakes here.