Red Sox Trade Arroyo to Reds for Wily Mo Pena

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060320/...ed_sox_trade_1

IMO, looks like one of those trades that has benefits for both teams. As as Sox fan, I approve -- as much as I liked having starting pitching depth, Trot Nixon's ability to stay healthy is an ever-growing concern; that and, he never did learn how to his lefties.

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you beat me by a minute!

1st impression: don't like the deal for the Red Sox. Bronson was a dependable 3rd/4th starter making cheap money. He'd also proven he could thrive under Boston pressure.

Pena has decent numbers and is young, but I gotta think Arroyo is more valuable.

Plus Pena has a dumb name.

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you beat me by a minute!

1st impression: don't like the deal for the Red Sox. Bronson was a dependable 3rd/4th starter making cheap money. He'd also proven he could thrive under Boston pressure.

Pena has decent numbers and is young, but I gotta think Arroyo is more valuable.

Plus Pena has a dumb name.

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The Reds are definitely getting some value here. I think this trade made a lot of sense for both teams. I certainly liked Arroyo's versatility (and I guess Theo is now out band-mate for Hot Stove Cool Music).

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Pena has decent numbers and is young, but I gotta think Arroyo is more valuable.

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I think you are on crack.

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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Pena has decent numbers and is young, but I gotta think Arroyo is more valuable.

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I think you are on crack.

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please explain (the value part, not the crack part).

[samjjones]

Good deal for Sox. They need to make moves at some point to free up spots for guys like Papelbon, Hansen, and Lester, who are nearly ready.

[Shafer.]

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Pena has decent numbers and is young, but I gotta think Arroyo is more valuable.

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I think you are on crack.

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please explain (the value part, not the crack part).

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The Red Sox have a bunch of young guys in the system that they are obviously ready to showcase. As I recall, Arroyo had basically already been demoted to the pen.

On the other hand, Pena put up some really good numbers the last 2 years, playing 50-65% of the games for the Reds. The ballpark may have had a large part to do with those numbers, but still.

I think giving up Pena is a big loss to just get a middle of the road 'starter' in Arroyo.

[Al_Money]

Good trade for the Sox IMO, Pena will add some depth in the OF and Bronson is just ehh, average at SP

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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Pena has decent numbers and is young, but I gotta think Arroyo is more valuable.

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I think you are on crack.

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please explain (the value part, not the crack part).

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The Red Sox have a bunch of young guys in the system that they are obviously ready to showcase. As I recall, Arroyo had basically already been demoted to the pen.

On the other hand, Pena put up some really good numbers the last 2 years, playing 50-65% of the games for the Reds. The ballpark may have had a large part to do with those numbers, but still.



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ok, I didn't realize he only played 100/110 games. his OPS #'s, though, dont jump out as any more than average/slightly above average. I wouldn't call his numbers (19 homers and 51 RBIs last season) "really good", especially for a RF, especially in that park.

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I think giving up Pena is a big loss to just get a middle of the road 'starter' in Arroyo.

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guys that can win 14 games who will make under $12m for the next 3 years aren't exactly easy to come by

EDIT: yes, the Sox needed to trade a pitcher. but, that doesn't make it ok to not get equivalent value when they do make a trade

[DVaut1]

This trade also gives the Red Sox a body to put in CF in case something happens to Crisp/Crisp needs a day off (with all due respect to Adam Stern). If I'm not mistaken, Pena has a better UZR in center than he does in RF, which sounds strange to me, but I'm fairly certain I remember seeing that.