***Official Cleveland Indians Offseason Thread***

[ADLinden]

On clevelandindians.com today there is a rumor about the Indians trying to shop for Jason Bay. I hope this somehow is true, this would greatly improve our team with a big bat in LF next year.

Link

[kyleb]

Why did Jason Bay suck this year?

I hope we are buying low here.

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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Why did Jason Bay suck this year?

I hope we are buying low here.

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some thoughts

[MikeyPatriot]

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Why did Jason Bay suck this year?

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From Joe Sheehan's recent "Fact or Fluke" (based on PECOTA projections) blog:

"Jason Bay: It’s easy to say “injuries,” but man, 40 walks and 15 bombs is a huge drop. Nevertheless… Fluke."

[kyleb]

God I hope so. I think Jason Bay is great, but I remember Nate saying some bad stuff about him in Unfiltered.

[ADLinden]

said in the article possibly Crowe and Lofgren for Bay, meh i dunno, i really like crowe though

[kyleb]

Ugh. That sounds like a lot for a guy who might have serious problems.

EDIT: That being said, it's gotta be worth a shot. Neither Crowe nor Lofgren project to be high-impact players, rather they are just league-ready average players. Jason Bay could be the help we need in the middle of the lineup. God, an outfield of Bay/Sizemore/Gutierrez would be so nasty.

[ADLinden]

if hes over the injuries, i say go for it, i mean we got all that minor league talent, gonna have to trade some of it anyways

[johnnylovescandy]

That cash is better spent psychoanalyzing Sabathia's chronic big-game meltdowns.

[kyleb]

oh [censored] look at this:

The Pirates upper management has widely ignored OBP (on base percentage) in the past. How important will OBP be in player evaluation under your leadership?
– Eric S., Pennsboro, W.Va

We are going to utilize several objective measures of player performance to evaluate and develop players. We’ll rely on the more traditional objective evaluations: OPS (on base percentage plus slugging percentage) , WHIP (walks and hits per inning pitched), Runs Created, ERC (Component ERA), GB/FB (ground ball to fly ball ratio), K/9 (strikeouts per nine innings), K/BB (strikeouts to walks ratio), BB%, etc., but we’ll also look to rely on some of the more recent variations: VORP (value over replacement player), Relative Performance, EqAve (equivalent average), EqOBP (equivalent on base percentage), EqSLG (equivalent slugging percentage), BIP% (balls put into play percentage), wOBA (weighted on base average), Range Factor, PMR (probabilistic model of range) and Zone Rating.
–Neal Huntington, GM of the Pirates

[censored] [censored] goddamnit are you [censored] serious

god damnit the pirates have a real GM