10-20 v Mizzles w/ JJ - Page 3

AAismyfriend · #21 10-13-2007, 07:33 PM

yea betting small/calling shove>>>>>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>>>>>>&gt ;shoving the turn for sure. Not sure what I think is best between betting small and checking here though. Do you think mizzles is ever floating your flop raise with AK/AQ or something like that?

jfish · #22 10-13-2007, 07:38 PM

would you fold AK/AQ to the flop raise?

AAismyfriend · #23 10-13-2007, 07:40 PM

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would you fold AK/AQ to the flop raise?

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Yes unless there is some sick history, but the OP stated that mizzles takes weird lines and likes to put moves on him so it seems possible.

jfish · #24 10-13-2007, 07:44 PM

hm ok, i didnt think anybody folded AQ/AK on this flop.

AAismyfriend · #25 10-13-2007, 07:51 PM

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hm ok, i didnt think anybody folded AQ/AK on this flop.

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At 5/10 and up this is probably true. People tend to not make plays vs an UTG raiser on these types of flops IME at 2/4 and 3/6 though. As for the hand.......Jfish, if you have AK/AQ in mizzles spot, what is your plan for the rest of the hand after calling the flop?

jfish · #26 10-13-2007, 07:54 PM

if i called i would definitely get it in on this turn, but im usually 3betting flop.

Requin · #27 10-13-2007, 07:57 PM

1435 back 1160 in the pot... you really think he calls the flop raise with AK/AQ?

Triumph36 · #28 10-13-2007, 07:57 PM

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i don't see why a bet is advocated here. tizerd does take super weird lines but he's not calling with naked overs.

i'd take one off, see if he won't value-stack himself or think our hand range is weaker with a river bet than a turn bet.

curious - are you guys really shoving 45s, AJs, A5s, naked overs/air-ish bluffs here?

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we are suggesting vshoving JJ in this spot. this obviously means that we are not bluffing those other hands. we cant do both.

i think you should shove here with JJ as long as you time down before you shove. i would like checking behind with a hand that has more equity vs overcards (AA, 33, 2x), but i certainly do not mind a check behind here.

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My point was to wonder just how thin irishmafia can bet here. Range balancing, etc. If Mizzles is just going to get himself zeebo'd with 66, and that's how aggro the games are playing - fine. But I think there'd have to be a good number of actual bluffs in this range instead of just IrishMafia value-stacking himself on turn with 55-99 to make this bet profitable, no?

MatthewRyan · #29 10-13-2007, 08:14 PM

dotn call pre if u are not getting all in here

craig1120 · #30 10-13-2007, 08:18 PM

You don't really think that do you?