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Old 08-16-2007, 09:50 PM
WhiteKnight WhiteKnight is offline
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Default Re: What is the highest pocket pair u raises UTG/EP?

Bad players talk like this all the time at my tables too. "I don't see the point in raising with AK preflop... you don't have a hand yet." There is a reason these games are generally considered profitable.

Read SSHE. Period.

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these people suck at poker.

is this really a serious post? i sense leveling...

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My spider sense is tingling Kit...
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Old 08-16-2007, 10:13 PM
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Default Re: What is the highest pocket pair u raises UTG/EP?

If I played like my opponents...
o Don't re-raise AK because it's a drawing hand
o Never raise out of your big blind, check in the dark. Only AA/KK has enough of an edge to raise, but you get more value out of deception.
o Big pairs and big cards never hold up. Small trash wins big pots and it helps a little to be suited but not important.
o Hence, build big pots with small suited cards. Capping off any 3 bet is standard.
o Check top pair hands behind on the river. Save river bets for big hands and big bluffs.
o Wait for the turn to raise your best hands so you trap other players and protect your trips/set from someone sucking out.
o Never bet the river on a 3 flush board without a flush unless you are bluffing.
o AK is the most over-rated hand in poker.
o AA wins small pots or loses big ones.
o You should call a single raise to your blind with any 2 cards.
o Cold call tight players with any 2 broadway cards pre-flop.
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Old 08-16-2007, 10:17 PM
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Default Re: What is the highest pocket pair u raises UTG/EP?

I used to raise 77 in the stars 3/6 but that was because it was full of terrible nits. 99+ is more normal though sometimes I'll limp 99 as well.
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Old 08-16-2007, 10:52 PM
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Default Re: What is the highest pocket pair u raises UTG/EP?

In a loose/passive game limp any pocket pair, probably raise 99+ because with the smaller pocket pairs you're better off encouraging bad players to enter the pot with terrible hands since you will won't be putting in money very often post-flop without a set that crushes them.

Once the game becomes mostly aggressive/aware players who raise, play good hands and fight over the 1-2 fish, then stop limping from EP and somewhere around 66,77,88 is as low as you want to go depending on how well you play, yada yada yada.
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Old 08-16-2007, 11:09 PM
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Default Re: What is the highest pocket pair u raises UTG/EP?

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If I played like my opponents...
o Don't re-raise AK because it's a drawing hand
o Never raise out of your big blind, check in the dark. Only AA/KK has enough of an edge to raise, but you get more value out of deception.
o Big pairs and big cards never hold up. Small trash wins big pots and it helps a little to be suited but not important.
o Hence, build big pots with small suited cards. Capping off any 3 bet is standard.
o Check top pair hands behind on the river. Save river bets for big hands and big bluffs.
o Wait for the turn to raise your best hands so you trap other players and protect your trips/set from someone sucking out.
o Never bet the river on a 3 flush board without a flush unless you are bluffing.
o AK is the most over-rated hand in poker.
o AA wins small pots or loses big ones.
o You should call a single raise to your blind with any 2 cards.
o Cold call tight players with any 2 broadway cards pre-flop.
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I just printed these statements and will keep it my notes, thanks, u learn something everyday.
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Old 08-16-2007, 11:30 PM
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Default Re: What is the highest pocket pair u raises UTG/EP?

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If I played like my opponents...
o Don't re-raise AK because it's a drawing hand
o Never raise out of your big blind, check in the dark. Only AA/KK has enough of an edge to raise, but you get more value out of deception.
o Big pairs and big cards never hold up. Small trash wins big pots and it helps a little to be suited but not important.
o Hence, build big pots with small suited cards. Capping off any 3 bet is standard.
o Check top pair hands behind on the river. Save river bets for big hands and big bluffs.
o Wait for the turn to raise your best hands so you trap other players and protect your trips/set from someone sucking out.
o Never bet the river on a 3 flush board without a flush unless you are bluffing.
o AK is the most over-rated hand in poker.
o AA wins small pots or loses big ones.
o You should call a single raise to your blind with any 2 cards.
o Cold call tight players with any 2 broadway cards pre-flop.
....

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I just printed these statements and will keep it my notes, thanks, u learn something everyday.

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I hope you realize that this is basically a list of things not to do (but that you will see opponents do all the time).
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Old 08-17-2007, 12:19 AM
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Default Re: What is the highest pocket pair u raises UTG/EP?

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Nines

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thanks, how bout ATsuited, KQsuited or KJsuited, do u raise it UTG?

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yes.

isnt there a hand chart is SSHE or something that has this stuff?

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Yes, there is a starting hands chart(s). Two actually- one for tight and one for loose games. I'll admit though, that I'm not sure about the reliability of them in today's on-line games. I do think that they are much more applicable to live games. It's late and I don't have SSHE in front of me; but most of the aforementioned hands (with the possible exception of KQs) are, at best, an UTG call.
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Old 08-17-2007, 12:20 AM
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Default Re: What is the highest pocket pair u raises UTG/EP?

OP sound slike you have been playing with older people at 2/4 who hate when people raise anything preflop.
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Old 08-17-2007, 04:41 AM
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Default Re: What is the highest pocket pair u raises UTG/EP?

Raising PF all over the place kicks ass.
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Old 08-17-2007, 05:02 AM
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Default Re: What is the highest pocket pair u raises UTG/EP?

My default range is approx. {88+, AJs+, KQs, AQo} I tend to limp or raise 55-77, AJo, KQo, ATs, KJs, QJs, JTs.

But a lot can change this, such as table style.
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