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Old 02-08-2007, 11:28 PM
canis582 canis582 is offline
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Default Re: Air your beefs about Bill Clinton

Someone explain to me how you become president without being a world class politician.

The genuis of Clinton was that he played to the working class in the press, while constantly throwing bones to corporate interests.

When he became too conservitive for Americans (NAFTA), the press would cover for him...people didn't really know and still don't know much about NAFTA, except that wackos oppose it.

He isn't much different than Bush, besides the differences in character portrayed (could be true protrayals or not) by the press.
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Old 02-09-2007, 03:48 AM
Mickey Brausch Mickey Brausch is offline
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Default Re: Air your beefs about Bill Clinton

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1. Welfare reform
2. Not very strong on the environment
3. Failure to pass health care reform
4. Looking for the low hanging political fruit instead of tackling tough issues.


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Agree and add, like you, not in order of importance:

5. Failure to push through a lasting and fair resolution to the Middle East conflict

6. Nothing on electoral reform.


The latter would have been his lasting legacy, even if he'd have tackled only that.
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Old 02-09-2007, 04:13 AM
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He sold nuclear technology to the chinese.

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Sigh

What type of "nuclear technology" did he sell to the Chinese, and how did he go about selling it?
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Old 02-09-2007, 09:38 AM
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Default Re: Air your beefs about Bill Clinton

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5. Failure to push through a lasting and fair resolution to the Middle East conflict

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Me too. I mean, he also failed to eliminate world hunger, eliminate war, and create a sustainable global utopia. What a terrible president!
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Old 02-09-2007, 12:13 PM
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Default Re: Air your beefs about Bill Clinton

Funny, I was thinking about this today.

Near the tops on my list is the retroactive tax increase of 1993. I usually have a problem with tax increases in general, but how the F$^# can people get on board with a retroactive law for anything? Changing the rules after the game is played is bulls#$%. I was not surprised to find out that Clinton's retroactive taxation had legal precedent...retroactive taxation has been around since the 1930's and has been consistently found constitutional by the Supreme Court. Ex post facto clauses only apply to criminal laws, not civil laws. Effin great.

Clinton's retroactive taxation brought on two years of stagnation and no tax revenue growth. IMO it led to the ousting of the Democratically controlled congress, so maybe I can thank Clinton for that. Then Clinton signed the tax cuts proposed by the new Republican congress, and things started rolling. Naturally, Clinton took all the credit.

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Old 02-09-2007, 12:52 PM
Mickey Brausch Mickey Brausch is offline
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Default Re: Air your beefs about Bill Clinton

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5. Failure to push through a lasting and fair resolution to the Middle East conflict

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Me too. I mean, he also failed to eliminate world hunger, eliminate war, and create a sustainable global utopia. What a terrible president!

[/ QUOTE ]No, he had a real chance. But he was merely good, not great.
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Old 02-09-2007, 03:03 PM
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It was military technology. The Chi-Coms were unable to keep their satellites in orbit. Clinton signed waivers to allow top secret technology to be shared with the Chi-Coms.
http://money.cnn.com/1998/05/20/companies/intv_loral/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...keystories.htm
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14497

Loral Exceeded their authority and sold additional secrets to the Chi-Coms. Clinton gave them a slap on the wrist (a fine) rather then putting these scumbags in jail for treason.
"In 2002, Loral Space reached a settlement with the State Department over charges of passing advanced military technology to the Chinese Army. Loral agreed to pay $20 million in fines, but did not admit nor deny wrongdoing.

In 2003, Loral declared bankruptcy. The aerospace giant that sold for $72 a share in 1996 watched as its shares tumbled to less than 20 cents a share.

Yet, despite hard times for its investors, Loral's CEO Bernard Schwartz has managed to cough up over $4 million in political donations for the Democrats and non-profit 527 organizations opposed to President Bush."
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...7/150106.shtml

This stinks of a Clinton coverup.
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Old 02-09-2007, 03:30 PM
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3. Failure to pass health care reform


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Clinton couldn't pass anything, do you see why? He didn't rule by fiat.
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Old 02-09-2007, 03:32 PM
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5. Failure to push through a lasting and fair resolution to the Middle East conflict



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What should he have done that he didn't do?
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Old 02-09-2007, 04:03 PM
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6. Nothing on electoral reform.[/b]

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