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Old 09-11-2007, 10:03 PM
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This is such a complicated question. Almost every player I know that came up through all the limits won over 10bb/100s up to about the $100 level (with some absolutely crazy good bb/100s for the .25 and .50 levels) And that was by simply playing a solid Medium-tight aggressive game. After the $100 level I think there are some great players that sustain between 5-10bb/100s, and many "good" players that can sustain between 2-4 bb/100s, BUT these levels can be demoralizing at times because often the only tables available have 6 or more long-term winning semi-pro players.
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:49 PM
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8.79 BB/100 in 28,000 hands on Bodog since May, when PT started tracking Bodog.

I'd have to dig out my stats on Party and other sites, but if I recall correctly the BB/100 was around 6 in something like 70,000 hands.

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Re-read the OP and with Mendacious's last post, sorry left the part out about the different levels.

17,500 hands at $400 PL 9.05 BB/100.
8,000 hands at $200 PL, 7.15 BB/100.
2,700 hands at $100 PL 14.0 BB/100.

The overwhelming # of these hands is full ring (at least 6 players).

I do not multi-table except in very rare instances where there is a second juicy table, 3-4 hours max. I have never been able to concentrate well enough to play more than one table with any success. This fits fine for Bodog where the bigger games generally have only one or two tables going at a time, if that.
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:17 PM
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Isn't the answer dramatically different depending on which side of the fence you're on?

Here, inside the fence, the one we use to keep the rest of you (and the fun) out, we are limited to Stars, FT, UB, and Absolute, basically. And I think it's really hard to do much better than 2BB/100 over the long haul above $1 PL at those terribly overfished sites. (If anyone disagrees, I'd like to know.)

If you have access to Party and the other US-blocked sites, as I think Matt does (loc=Germany), those numbers are probably sustainable and realistic. But I don't, and I'm jealous.

Is the fence keeping you out or us in? I don't feel so free any more ....
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Old 09-12-2007, 02:18 AM
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5-10 ptbb/100 is possible at ft in fr (esp. if you exercise good game selection). note that sometimes it's easier to get higher win rates at higher levels because people will gamble with you. weak-tight games have a theoretical maximum win rate that is not very high (relatively speaking) and can be hard to achieve, imho.

as several excellent winning players will probably point out, however, you should be more concerned with your hourly earn rate than your ptbb/100 rate.
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Old 09-12-2007, 09:18 AM
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Isn't the answer dramatically different depending on which side of the fence you're on?

Here, inside the fence, the one we use to keep the rest of you (and the fun) out, we are limited to Stars, FT, UB, and Absolute, basically. And I think it's really hard to do much better than 2BB/100 over the long haul above $1 PL at those terribly overfished sites. (If anyone disagrees, I'd like to know.)

If you have access to Party and the other US-blocked sites, as I think Matt does (loc=Germany), those numbers are probably sustainable and realistic. But I don't, and I'm jealous.

Is the fence keeping you out or us in? I don't feel so free any more ....

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I agree, I think the FT and Stars games of today are tougher than Party was for a long time, and not having access to some softer sites defineately hurts winrate. Still, I think there are several good players in the 2-4 range and a few that exceed 5bb/100s even at Tilt and Stars at the $200 level and up.
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