a few hands from the nightly hundred grand

luckychewy · #1 12-22-2006, 01:42 AM

these are a few hands i thought were debatable, i'll include reads where i had them. both these hands happened at different times, but the first two happened one after another, and the second two happened one after another.

villain raised it very quick, he has been raising somewhat liberally in late position.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1000 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB (t16290)
UTG (t13131)
UTG+1 (t4015)
MP1 (t12615)
MP2 (t30106)
MP3 (t1490)
CO (t7150)
Button (t15315)
Hero (t24065)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
6 folds, Button raises to t3050, Hero raises to t24065, 1 fold

same villain the exact next hand.

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SB (t15240)
BB (t13081)
UTG (t3965)
UTG+1 (t12565)
MP1 (t30056)
MP2 (t1440)
MP3 (t7100)
CO (t12265)
Hero (t28465)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
5 folds, CO raises to t4050, Hero raises to t28465, 2 folds

i get moved to a new table, then these 2 hands.

guy has been raising very liberally, i was planning on folding to a push.

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Button (t8465)
SB (t29656)
Hero (t25560)
UTG (t39651)
UTG+1 (t15510)
MP1 (t22952)
MP2 (t51215)
MP3 (t29080)
CO (t35326)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 raises to t3660, 4 folds, Hero raises to t9260

no real read, this is exactly after the previous hand.

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CO (t8405)
Button (t28996)
Hero (t30240)
BB (t39591)
UTG (t15450)
UTG+1 (t22892)
MP1 (t47555)
MP2 (t29020)
MP3 (t35266)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
6 folds, Button raises to t3600, Hero raises to t9200, 1 fold

TwistedEcho · #2 12-22-2006, 01:48 AM

First one against a reasonably active button looks good.

Second one, i often just fold here. I really wouldn't expect any FE, and assume he is calling me. I don't think we need to get into a 25k pot with 66 when his range likely is ahead.

Third one, meh i would probably reraise more like 13-14k and CALL if he pushes. I think your reraise is a bit small and often ppl will end up calling w/ position (seeing its only 6k more into a 12k pot etc). If he pushes, there will be 35k in the pot and 15k for you to call. Personally i don't repop that much of my stack with the plan to fold (that might be leak) so i don't really like it all that much.

Well im assume you won the 3rd one, so second one looks good. Again, i tend to reraise more here (like 11-12k) and obv call if he pushes.

luckychewy · #3 12-22-2006, 01:57 AM

thx for the advice. i'm not one to say whether or not 3-bet/folding this late in the tourny with given stack sizes is optimal or even close to it since im just learning tournies, but i thought against an active mp raiser who hasn't seen much of me it should work fairly well.

but, now that im re-thinking it he may get push happy with a lot of hands thinking that he's being aggro so im adjusting etc., and by following your advice(13k-14k call a push) that negates his positional advantage if he were to call and takes away any fe he might have thought he had. only downside is we have 8 high if pushed on. either way i think your idea is better.

fwiw if he just called my 3-bet i was pushing any flop, yes?

beenben · #4 12-22-2006, 02:07 AM

1 standard
2 fold; if he's stealing with T7 you're flipping
3 what TE said
4 standard

TwistedEcho · #5 12-22-2006, 02:12 AM

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thx for the advice. i'm not one to say whether or not 3-bet/folding this late in the tourny with given stack sizes is optimal or even close to it since im just learning tournies, but i thought against an active mp raiser who hasn't seen much of me it should work fairly well.

but, now that im re-thinking it he may get push happy with a lot of hands thinking that he's being aggro so im adjusting etc., and by following your advice(13k-14k call a push) that negates his positional advantage if he were to call and takes away any fe he might have thought he had. only downside is we have 8 high if pushed on. either way i think your idea is better.

fwiw if he just called my 3-bet i was pushing any flop, yes?

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I just don't really like restealing and folding when we have 25k and we raise to 9600 or so. I personally prefer to make it a touch bigger to make it obvious we are commited if i chose to resteal. With these stacks i might just let this one go because it is pretty borderline for raise/folding to his push (if we had 30k we could raise/fold and if we had 20k we could raise and clearly be commited).

Obviously if he calls we push the flop. Lots of people are terrible (like the opponent in the 66 hand) and will often call off 2/3 of their stack to fold on missed flops etc. Im often still suprised at how often people fold in spots im sure they are totally commited.

luckychewy · #6 12-22-2006, 02:21 AM

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Im often still suprised at how often people fold in spots im sure they are totally commited.

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i used to constantly do this and now laugh in my head at people who do. it's unreal how many people don't realize how much they are giving up, by not giving in.

luckychewy · #7 12-22-2006, 02:39 AM

oh, something else i forgot to post in op which i was wondering about.

you make a standard 2.5-3.5xbb raise with a weak ace(a2-a7) and a shorty shoves. you have a slightly above average stack of about 40bb's and his shove gives you slightly less than 2:1. you have no reads and both your raise and his push are from late position. easy call, easy fold, close call, or close fold?

mlagoo · #8 12-22-2006, 02:55 AM

1 looks ok, i really dislike all the rest. particularly 2 and 3. 12xBB openraises to 4xBB = strong; and just like... for no. 3, 3betting with intentions of folding to a shove with your stack size is just so gross/unnecessary.

Exitonly · #9 12-22-2006, 04:22 AM

I like 1 and i think 2, 3 i dont like for sure 4 meh.

luckychewy · #10 12-22-2006, 11:19 AM

hmm, exitonly i thought 4 was maybe the only one which was without a doubt correct(maybe not the raise size but i thought folding this hand here was really bad). you don't like the raise size or the 3-bet at all?

also, anyone have any comments on the ace rag post above?