Harrah's and MGM's CEOs say Internet poker to explicitly legal soon

[whangarei]

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My only concern as expressed in the "rejected suggestions" thread is when even my volunteer suggestions and offers are rejected or attached with unintended motives (from my perspective).

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I need to call you out on your "volunteer" stance. I won't quote from it, but we all remember your spooky angle shot to profit from a "volunteer" effort in Kentucky that was posted here.

[Legislurker]

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We aren't criminals and we are only seeking justice. That just adds fire to the accusation that the PPA is biased and
slanted to narrow interests. If that occurred I would hope Mason moved his position from neutral to hostile. This isn't a narrow, one-off matter to a lot of us. Transparency, openess, and integrity should be the PPA's concern and you guys will have a lifetime of TV appearances and fat-paying no-show jobs. Start going secret youre going to lose what little goodwill you've gleaned.

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Take my word for it there are no fat-paying no-show jobs in the PPA but plenty in The Federal Government. One Appointee I knew of had to change hobbies because the glue and paint from the models was just too much.

My suport of any member only forum would be for communication of organizational grassroots efforts, a web-based confrence call type deal only. I was once asked but do not know the status of taking a more direct (named) volunteer position in VA.

I can see and feel there would be a benifit of a forum for State Reps. Of course I envision this more of a communication medium for an organization of 435+ as IMO when we can "we" should be organized to the CD level. I have no interest in joining nor being part of some secret society. Having only one rep in CA who has the same duties as a rep in MT just isn't workable IMO. VA IMO needs at least 3 to start.

But since this is the Harrah's and MGM "open tomorrow" and all our troubles are over thread, perhaps it is all a mental exercise.



D$D

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If the PPA nurtures the grassroots and opens up to daylight there will be. What do you think the salaries are on the board of NARAL, the NRA, or the beer wholesellers PAC are?
If you call what they do work, youre [censored] in the head. The rewards are big. The need for a poker lobbying group is NOT going away. A big success could be a big payday for the group, and I doubt post UIGEA-repeal work will be near as heavy as now. But Im doubting more and more the PPA wants to be the kind of longterm poker friendly organization people want.

[jlkrusty]

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FOF... Foes of Fun

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lmao. I'll have to remember that one.

[MiltonFriedman]

There have been ongoing efforts to meet with and educate regulators at the State levels as to "server-based" gaming concepts. This has been going on for a couple of years. The idea is to ensure that the "LegaL model comfortably fits with their projected business models.

As for the legislative side, they have not been ready to push this year. However, you can bet the topic was discussed during the concurrent fundraising visits by Dem. candidates during the concurrent Nevada Dem debate.

If you think that the scheduling of the Nevada primary early in 2008, and the scheduling of the Dem debate concurrent with GGE, were a coincidence, you underestimate the sophistication of casino political operatives on both sides of the Red/Blue line.

(I do not see the casino interests EVER supporting Guliani, but otherwise they could easily go for both a Rep. AND a Dem they think could win... which is pretty much a couple of open choices.)

[Jay Cohen]

How convenient after they have spent years advocating the destruction of the upstart competition.

They did the same thing with Indian gaming. It was all bad, until they discovered they could partner with the Indians and operate the places for them for significant percentages of the revenue. Then it was all ok.

[Tuff_Fish]

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But..., I believe the PPA is doing a good job for all of us and deserves our full support at this time. We can quibble over the spoils when there are spoils to be quibbled over.

Tuff

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Tuff this isn't directed only towards you but arrises from a phone conversation today.

Why is this an either or, black or white issue? You have to toe the party line 110% or you are an enemy?

I've been accused of being a PPA critic in this forum by TE and today somehow in with BluffThis as a leading detractor of the PPA. My call to offer my genuine "well done" was portrayed as a two faced sham. I was spoken to as if I was Catherine Hanaway and Tom McClusky's secret love child spawned specifically to ruin the good works of the PPA through my posting IMO thoughtful suggestions for improvement of the PPA's efforts.

Tuff you know me, we've met and spoken at length in person, what is going on?


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I have never doubted your sincerity in wishing the best for the PPA.

There are certainly areas the PPA needs to improve, and the PPA has miles to go before it can be considered in the same breath as the NRA.

But..., they are just about the only game in town in which we can be a partipant and they are making tremendous progress. That is why I get down on those who incessantly carp about the board, and/or what may happen after some sort of victory is achieved.

First, achieve victory.

If I were to learn that the PPA's interests were at odds to a free and open poker market, I would have second thoughts.

But I prefer to think that the PPA realizes that a rising tide lifts all boats. Yes, the folks behind the PPA will benefit from the legitimizing of online poker, but everyone else will benefit too. and very nicely I suspect. Even Bluff, Mason, Legislurker, the danged multitablers, perhaps even Obi Wan 222.

Tuff

(I long for the day I can forget politics, at least as it pertains to poker, and go back to making bad videos and playing worse poker.) [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[DeadMoneyDad]

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My only concern as expressed in the "rejected suggestions" thread is when even my volunteer suggestions and offers are rejected or attached with unintended motives (from my perspective).

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I need to call you out on your "volunteer" stance. I won't quote from it, but we all remember your spooky angle shot to profit from a "volunteer" effort in Kentucky that was posted here.

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Thank you for reminding everyone of that truly shining moment for me! I wish I had thought of suggesting another had posted it, before removing all doubt. I started to link it to this reply, if only to remind myself of my shame. Thankfully, I could not find it.

<u>No, please do not dig it up for me!</u> Remember, I have teenagers I do not need any additional daily reminders or added opinions of the nonexistent value of age and experience compared to the occasional "outburst"! In that regard, I am fully served thank you very much.

A few can attest to my extreme difficulties in logging into the site that lead to that post, but even that is a very weak excuse on my part. Even those fully schooled in back channel DC political deals, even those fully channeling Machiavelli himself, would have trouble following my weak assed rational ( [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] irrationality [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img])

Truth be told not all of my suggestions for a more robust KY effort hinged on nor required my personal profit. Even my "spooky angle shot" ( [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] nutball [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]), post was a genuine attempt to shoulder much if not all of any cost risk, leaving the totally subjective after the fact evaluation of its merit in the hands of others.

I do feel I was very ineffective in sum total, mostly because of various communication difficulties, some of my own making, and my stubbornness in not simply volunteering as I had originally planned. I have experience in the field but this was indeed my first attempt to solicit payment for un-requested or non-referral business in this field. IMO it showed!

Even in previous sales career situations, my best clients were referral based for the most part or some how linked to my reputation. Therefore, I should have been wary, in hindsight, of the potential of possible confusion of the mixed nature of the genuine offer to help as needed, and a desire to "scoop up" any cash already on the table potentially planned or those already advertised in a political "consultancy" situation.

Mixing my passion for the “cause”, my passion for the missionary work for the "religion" of grassroots, and an ever wary and weary over solicited “client” was indeed a recipe for disaster.

"There is never a second chance to make a good first impression."

Live and learn.

Or not……….

Still, in my marriage and family life I have my own "board" to answer to, too often in the past I have volunteered or deeply discounted "my time" and political value even in referral efforts. I have done this often enough that it was impossible, however worthy or potentially personally profitable in the longer term, even for part of the time required IMO for a full on test of enough methods of poker specific grassroots ideas to fully prove out their merit.

So, in attempting to continue (beating an apparently dead horse) to prove my assertion that solid grassroots development if the only result was a State-wide "play book" vs. the relative cost of freeroll sign-ups, I F'ed up my entire ability to be heard as anything but a semi-pro DC scam artist.

I have a few years experience in the fields of grassroots developments and a decent further solid background that complements or grounds it(so I am told by others), but I was only seen as seeking to milk the dry teat of an imaginary over flowing PPA cash cow, after leaving some no-show no-work Federal Appointee position.

So common a practice is this that in this town, it appears, that on the N.W.’s sidewalks and in the hallways you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a dozen or so identically identified practitioners’ of this “trade”.



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[kidpokeher]

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As soon as UIGEA passed, they each bought several poker sites for pennies, literally in prep, this was (and somewhere I posted about it) a sign that all was not really as it seemed with the UIGEA, something was up.


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Which sites did they acquire?

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I'd like to know more about this as well. I had an account at the MGM site while it was still under development. It was put together by Wagerworks and was decent looking. It was used as mainly an advertising vehicle for their properties but I think they were offering prizes of sorts based on play.

Don't know anything about Harrahs online ventures.

[oldbookguy]

I am too lazy to dig through all the old financial news articles from many I read daily, here is a mention though that was in CP about a year ago, this is about the MGM.

Additionally, the second link talks about the Sand entering the online market as well.

Both events followed on the heels of passage of the UIGEA.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news...-online-poker-

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news...ne-gaming-site

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