Razz Winrates

[Murakawa]

What kind of winrates would be possible for a part time razz player, at micro limits, says .25/50 to 2/4?

Curious as I know someone who wants to do this. anyone have some PT stats?

Thanks

Mura

[SGspecial]

anywhere from +4BB/100 to -378BB/100. How good is your friend?

[Murakawa]

pretty good

[DJ Sensei]

i've been curious about this myself, but didnt really worry too much about it, focusing more on winning > losing. i wouldnt mind seeing long-run PT stats though, if anybody has them

[jbrennen]

Here's my own statistics from roughly the last year or so on Full Tilt's Razz ring games up to $2/$4. I'm no wizard, but I'm profitable in these games. The Razz portion of HORSE ring games is included as well, but those are probably less than 1% of the whole sample...

Note that "total rake" is the total rake out of all pots, whether I won or not.

0.25/0.50
11817 hands played
total profit = $105.70
+1.79 BB/100
15.83 BB/100 standard deviation
total rake = $1182.90

0.50/1.00
2787 hands played
total profit = $113.95
+4.09 BB/100
15.24 BB/100 standard deviation
total rake = $525.50

1.00/2.00
4155 hands played
total profit = $34.10
+0.41 BB/100
13.99 BB/100 standard deviation
total rake = $1274.25

2.00/4.00
3346 hands played
total profit = $358.55
+2.68 BB/100
13.21 BB/100 standard deviation
total rake = $1197.00

I have played higher stakes as well, but if you want to find out how good I am at those, you'll have to play me. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]


As you can see, Full Tilt is making out like a bandit, collecting over $4000 in rakes on those hands while I only come away with a little more than $600 profit.

Also, the variance (standard deviation) drops with each increase in stakes.

[*TT*]

At higher limits an expert razz player playing at at table full of tough thinking players can expect Razz to be the lowest varience game available. There is a discussion on this in Gambling Theory & Other Topics by Mason Malmuth where he discusses bankroll theory and requirements for razz.

[skillzilla]

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At higher limits an expert razz player playing at at table full of tough thinking players can expect Razz to be the lowest varience game available. There is a discussion on this in Gambling Theory & Other Topics by Mason Malmuth where he discusses bankroll theory and requirements for razz.

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winrate will also be low

[*TT*]

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At higher limits an expert razz player playing at at table full of tough thinking players can expect Razz to be the lowest varience game available. There is a discussion on this in Gambling Theory & Other Topics by Mason Malmuth where he discusses bankroll theory and requirements for razz.

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winrate will also be low

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My estimate is a solid .8 to 1BB/hour. In these games if your standard deviation is high then you need to look internally to find the problem - its probably in how you are playing.

[Alchemist]

Where do you find the std deviation info in PTS?

[*TT*]

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Where do you find the std deviation info in PTS?

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I don't, I use my master spreadsheet to calculate Standard Deviation. Formula is available in Mason's book.