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#111
11-20-2007, 04:45 PM
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Re: my solution to the gay marriage argument
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why don't the polygamists have the same rights as gays? Who are we to deny those 3, 4, 5, or 30 people the right to a legal marriage and all of the benefits? [/ QUOTE ] I'd like to marry my stapler. Can you work that one in too? [/ QUOTE ] I don't see why not. [/ QUOTE ] Did I say 'stapler'? I meant sister. 
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#112
11-20-2007, 04:48 PM
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Re: my solution to the gay marriage argument
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why don't the polygamists have the same rights as gays? Who are we to deny those 3, 4, 5, or 30 people the right to a legal marriage and all of the benefits? [/ QUOTE ] I'd like to marry my stapler. Can you work that one in too? [/ QUOTE ] I don't see why not. [/ QUOTE ] Did I say 'stapler'? I meant sister. [/ QUOTE ] Do it to it hombre. As long as she is not being forced to do it go right ahead.
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#113
11-20-2007, 04:49 PM
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Re: my solution to the gay marriage argument
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why don't the polygamists have the same rights as gays? Who are we to deny those 3, 4, 5, or 30 people the right to a legal marriage and all of the benefits? [/ QUOTE ] I'd like to marry my stapler. Can you work that one in too? [/ QUOTE ] I don't see why not. [/ QUOTE ] Did I say 'stapler'? I meant sister. [/ QUOTE ] Do what you want there Arkansas.
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#114
11-20-2007, 05:00 PM
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Re: my solution to the gay marriage argument
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I stated that I can not give custody of my child to my life partner if I die even though we are both raising it. Legally my life partner is some random dude. The government is tearing apart my family because of my death. It's quite sad that the fear irrational of gays can cause this. [/ QUOTE ] Are you seriously going to sit here and tell me that if you die, the government isn't going to allow you to grand custody of your child to whoever the hell you want, as long as that other party agrees? Are you leveling me again? [/ QUOTE ] Link to about.com stuff [ QUOTE ] What happens if children in gay and lesbian couple households can't be adopted (or the parents aren't granted legal custody)? * By banning gay adoption, children in gay couple households have no legal status should something happen to the parents, including death or serious illness. * Neither the parent or child has visitation rights if the parents separate. * The child cannot claim inheritances or other household assets in case of death. * If one parent dies, the second parent has no legal right to take custody or care for the child. * A parent without legal right to a child cannot legally register him/her for school. * Parents cannot put children on some health insurance plans. * Parents cannot make medical decisions for the child. * The child has no claim to the social security or other insurance benefits of the parent. * Gay couple parents without adoption rights do not benefit from the generous tax deductions granted to heterosexual parents. [/ QUOTE ] Yup, there it is. If they were allowed to be legally married, this stuff would not be a problem. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry, but this applies to heterosexual couples as well. If you're not the legal guardian of the child, you have none of these rights. They don't say "Well, we WERE going to let you make these decisions for this kid whom you are not the legal guardian of, but we found out you're gay, so instead we're going to steal him from you." If you are the legal guardian of a child, you can grant guardianship to whoever you want when you die.
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#115
11-20-2007, 05:07 PM
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Re: my solution to the gay marriage argument
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If this happened, I would immediately become civilly united with some poor college student or homeless person so I could save a ton on my taxes. And so would every other single person. [/ QUOTE ] You better not. That homeless person would divorce you and take half your assets.
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#116
11-20-2007, 05:07 PM
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Re: my solution to the gay marriage argument
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[ QUOTE ] If this happened, I would immediately become civilly united with some poor college student or homeless person so I could save a ton on my taxes. And so would every other single person. [/ QUOTE ] You better not. That homeless person would divorce you and take half your assets. [/ QUOTE ] Prenup 4tw
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#118
11-20-2007, 05:48 PM
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Re: my solution to the gay marriage argument
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Sorry, but this applies to heterosexual couples as well. If you're not the legal guardian of the child, you have none of these rights. [/ QUOTE ] Hetero married couples can adopt a child together. Then all these problems go away. He's saying that, with gay couples, only ONE of the parents can have guardianship. The other person in the relationship has no legal rights. So, though both parents may raise the adopted child, if the part with guardianship has a problem (say... gets killed in a car crash), the other 'parent' has no rights. More importantly, you still have supplied no compelling reason why gay couples should not be allowed to marry. Can we just skip to the end where you say its against your religious beliefs so you don't want gays to marry? That seems to be where these threads always end up.
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#119
11-20-2007, 06:43 PM
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Re: my solution to the gay marriage argument
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[ QUOTE ] Sorry, but this applies to heterosexual couples as well. If you're not the legal guardian of the child, you have none of these rights. [/ QUOTE ] Hetero married couples can adopt a child together. Then all these problems go away. He's saying that, with gay couples, only ONE of the parents can have guardianship. The other person in the relationship has no legal rights. So, though both parents may raise the adopted child, if the part with guardianship has a problem (say... gets killed in a car crash), the other 'parent' has no rights. More importantly, you still have supplied no compelling reason why gay couples should not be allowed to marry. Can we just skip to the end where you say its against your religious beliefs so you don't want gays to marry? That seems to be where these threads always end up. [/ QUOTE ] The guardian simply names their partner as the child's guardian should anything ever happen to them. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? The gay mommy/daddy already has a means to this end, why get the government involved in yet another aspect of people's private lives?
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#120
11-20-2007, 06:53 PM
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Re: my solution to the gay marriage argument
again... you fail to give any compelling reason why a gay couple shouldn't marry.
I have listed dozens of benefits that are easily gained through marriage. You're trying to list other ways gays can get some or all of the rights. Why should they have to find other ways? A way has already been created to get all these rights and benefits... its a legal contract called marriage. If you remove the objections of the people wanting to legislate via their religion, you don't really have any compelling reason to deny gays the right to marry. If you think the government shouldn't be involved in marriage then you can certainly argue for the abolishment of marriage and its benefits. But since you're not, you need to provide a compelling reason why you want to deny some tax paying americans rights you want to grant others.
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