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#71
11-20-2007, 03:37 PM
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Re: my solution to the gay marriage argument
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To be honest... I'm not sure what you're saying here. You offered your opinion that gay parents are more likely to raise a gay child. There's no evidence to support this. [/ QUOTE ] He didnt say that, I did. And if you don't think that these "scientists" are skewing their results in order to maintain their funding, you're just living in a dream world. That's like saying that it's absurd that politicians play to the special interest groups. They'd never pander to the people who keep them in a cushy job, would they? No, never! lol 
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#72
11-20-2007, 03:39 PM
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Re: my solution to the gay marriage argument
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Moral relativism at its most absurd. Go and start a society on an island that has only gays and get back to me in 70 years with a census, OK? [/ QUOTE ] Umm... irrelevent. No one is suggesting starting a society. Everyone in a society does not need to reproduce. Regarding gays and children- Gay parents can adopt and raise children to which they should receive the same tax breaks as any other parent. [/ QUOTE ] I'm so glad someone finally came out and said this. There are only TWO situations that can arise with adoption: 1) You adopt from the foster care system, in which case there is ALREADY a system in place that offers government financial assistance for the adopting parent(s). 2) You adopt a brand new pink one from an unwed mother who enters her name into the system as a potential newborn adoptee. In THIS case, you have to come up with anywhere from $5000 to $40000 out of pocket to go through this process. If you have that kind of money to pay for a baby, you don't need a small tax break from the government per annum. [/ QUOTE ] It's kind of hard to believe, but your posts are going downhill fast. I would have thought you proclaiming that you don't want the tax code to subsidize someone's sexuality (while openly supporting the code that support's someone's sexuality) was about rock bottom, but apparently there was room further south. [/ QUOTE ] /facepalm I would highly advise that you look into adoption before attacking my posts. The simply fact is that what I explained is exactly how the adoption system works. You either take a kid out of the foster system. Or you pay out the nose for a little pink one. I know a couple who is adopting infant twins. EDIT: and for christ sakes. How many times do we need to explain that this isnt about man/woman sex, it's about raising children. man/woman can produce children, man/man cannot!
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#73
11-20-2007, 03:45 PM
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Re: my solution to the gay marriage argument
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Moral relativism at its most absurd. Go and start a society on an island that has only gays and get back to me in 70 years with a census, OK? [/ QUOTE ] Umm... irrelevent. No one is suggesting starting a society. Everyone in a society does not need to reproduce. Regarding gays and children- Gay parents can adopt and raise children to which they should receive the same tax breaks as any other parent. [/ QUOTE ] I'm so glad someone finally came out and said this. There are only TWO situations that can arise with adoption: 1) You adopt from the foster care system, in which case there is ALREADY a system in place that offers government financial assistance for the adopting parent(s). 2) You adopt a brand new pink one from an unwed mother who enters her name into the system as a potential newborn adoptee. In THIS case, you have to come up with anywhere from $5000 to $40000 out of pocket to go through this process. If you have that kind of money to pay for a baby, you don't need a small tax break from the government per annum. [/ QUOTE ] It's kind of hard to believe, but your posts are going downhill fast. I would have thought you proclaiming that you don't want the tax code to subsidize someone's sexuality (while openly supporting the code that support's someone's sexuality) was about rock bottom, but apparently there was room further south. [/ QUOTE ] /facepalm I would highly advise that you look into adoption before attacking my posts. The simply fact is that what I explained is exactly how the adoption system works. You either take a kid out of the foster system. Or you pay out the nose for a little pink one. [/ QUOTE ] Nope, there are other scenarios. (also, your description of "how adoption works" wasn't even the silliest part of your post.) One other scenario: Youe unwed sister has a baby. She asks if you will adopt it. You agree. Similar(same??) situation: My wife and I die. In our will we designate my brother take our kids and he agrees.
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#74
11-20-2007, 03:45 PM
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Re: my solution to the gay marriage argument
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[ QUOTE ] WRONG! the natural order of the universe is that humans like teh secks. Simply because one form of this enjoyment results in procreation does not make it moraly diferent or superior in any way. [/ QUOTE ] This isnt about the goddamned debate over whether or not homosexuality is morally acceptable. This is about gays wanting to tap in to a tax break that was created for people who CAN procreate so when they DO procreate, they can more easily provide for their insanely expensive children. I, as a taxpayer, do not want to donate money so you can feel better about your sexual choices in life. And as long as a vast majority of taxpayers feel the same way (which they do), you're SOL. [/ QUOTE ] Are you sure it isnt about all that? Because you are the one who brought it up. You used as an argument that gays adopting kids are going to be turning those kids gay. Now that your absurd arguments have come home to roost, lets not shift the blame.
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#75
11-20-2007, 03:49 PM
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Re: my solution to the gay marriage argument
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Because this argument never gets old: So the only reason you like women is because your mom loves the [censored]? [/ QUOTE ] No, I have a wife because it's the natural order of the universe. Male + Female. But again, what the hell does this all have to do with tax breaks designed for people who are bringing forth our next generation? You're gay, we get it. Life isn't fair. [/ QUOTE ] WRONG! the natural order of the universe is that humans like teh secks. Simply because one form of this enjoyment results in procreation does not make it morally different or superior in any way. [/ QUOTE ] Moral relativism at its most absurd. Go and start a society on an island that has only gays and get back to me in 70 years with a census, OK? [/ QUOTE ] El Oh El ... your name sake is quite fitting. No one ever said "only gays" The tax credits are the only place I can even imagine gay couples bothering someone. And I have proposed that the entire tax system is faulty... do you agree or no? Do you have some factual reason that 2 people should not be allowed to do as they see fit for them selves? How does it affect you? Why would it matter? No one is sticking anything in your ass. BTW .. you should prolly throw out all that vile lesbian porn before it destroys the fabric of society.
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#76
11-20-2007, 03:49 PM
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Re: my solution to the gay marriage argument
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Because this argument never gets old: So the only reason you like women is because your mom loves the [censored]? [/ QUOTE ] No, I have a wife because it's the natural order of the universe. Male + Female. But again, what the hell does this all have to do with tax breaks designed for people who are bringing forth our next generation? You're gay, we get it. Life isn't fair. [/ QUOTE ] WRONG! the natural order of the universe is that humans like teh secks. Simply because one form of this enjoyment results in procreation does not make it moraly diferent or superior in any way. [/ QUOTE ] Moral relativism at its most absurd. Go and start a society on an island that has only gays and get back to me in 70 years with a census, OK? [/ QUOTE ] LOL, lets make this argument number THREE that suffers from the EXACT SAME FALLACY. Wow, you really are a one trick pony. If you could get over the hump of this one little problem you have, you could solve all the worlds problems.
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#77
11-20-2007, 03:50 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] But a child who grows up with gay parents seems more likely to decide that they feel the same way, imo. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure how you developed your opinion on this. I'm fairly certain this has been studied and found to be false. Food for thought- most gays throughout time were raised in heterosexual families being taught heterosexual role models. [/ QUOTE ] How could anyone trust a social scientist studying this today? It's a firing offense to submit the 'wrong' results, a failed hypothesis, on this subject. Buh bye tenure. [/ QUOTE ] Must be nice to fully insulate all of your thoughts and ideas from outside interference.
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#78
11-20-2007, 03:52 PM
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Re: my solution to the gay marriage argument
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] WRONG! the natural order of the universe is that humans like teh secks. Simply because one form of this enjoyment results in procreation does not make it moraly diferent or superior in any way. [/ QUOTE ] This isnt about the goddamned debate over whether or not homosexuality is morally acceptable. This is about gays wanting to tap in to a tax break that was created for people who CAN procreate so when they DO procreate, they can more easily provide for their insanely expensive children. I, as a taxpayer, do not want to donate money so you can feel better about your sexual choices in life. And as long as a vast majority of taxpayers feel the same way (which they do), you're SOL. [/ QUOTE ] Are you sure it isnt about all that? Because you are the one who brought it up. You used as an argument that gays adopting kids are going to be turning those kids gay. Now that your absurd arguments have come home to roost, lets not shift the blame. [/ QUOTE ] No shifting blame, but changing the subject seems to be just fine for you, hey? This thread wasnt about the origins of homosexuality.
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#79
11-20-2007, 03:54 PM
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Re: my solution to the gay marriage argument
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Nope, there are other scenarios. (also, your description of "how adoption works" wasn't even the silliest part of your post.) One other scenario: Youe unwed sister has a baby. She asks if you will adopt it. You agree. Similar(same??) situation: My wife and I die. In our will we designate my brother take our kids and he agrees. [/ QUOTE ] Congratulations, you're a hero. Take your dependent allowance and move on?
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#80
11-20-2007, 03:55 PM
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Re: my solution to the gay marriage argument
(1) You're still not addressing the fact that marriage benefits extend well beyond tax breaks for children.
[ QUOTE ] If you have that kind of money to pay for a baby, you don't need a small tax break from the government per annum. [/ QUOTE ] I know quite a few people adopting and you can easily spend $10K depending on how you go about it. And... the people who adopt are not often wealthy. To assume because the pay the money means they have a lot of disposable income is illogical. Many people want children and struggle to get the money required to adopt. And, of course, once they get the money to pay for the upfront costs, they still have the additional expenses which come with raising a child. But again... the tax breaks is not really the driving motivator of gay marriage.
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