Play this flop along with me- .25 KQo TPGK

retleftolc · #1 09-19-2007, 10:22 PM

BB is 34/15 over 32
MP is 43/11 over 118

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($14)
Hero ($90.20)
MP ($19.45)
Button ($11)
SB ($24.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1, MP calls $1, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.10) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, MP calls $2, BB raises to $13

Ranges? Does it matter stick it in?

More to follow.

Ret

Edukashun · #2 09-19-2007, 10:34 PM

This is a pretty bad spot, over the 30 hands you saw had he c/r'd a lot?

If not I think I'd fold

johndenver · #3 09-19-2007, 10:35 PM

fold, he almost surely is ahead of you at this point, very doubtful that he would check raise 2 people with nothing or a draw, especially on that board that isnt especially drawy

Subzero_Wins · #4 09-19-2007, 10:37 PM

How can there be any more to come?

If you call you're all in, if you fold then the hand is over.

I would probably just shove here, too good of chance he has garbage or a draw. KQ is the worse hand I'm going with here though FWIW (I'd fold QT).

retleftolc · #5 09-19-2007, 11:21 PM

Here's the more-

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($14)
Hero ($90.20)
MP ($19.45)
Button ($11)
SB ($24.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1, MP calls $1, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.10) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, MP calls $2, BB raises to $13, Hero calls $11, MP raises to $18.45

Do I have to call? WHy or why not?

Ret

Abdullaev · #6 09-19-2007, 11:38 PM

The first raise call seems bad. Can't think of much that you beat, and on top of that there's still MP to act. But MP's has to be a mandatory call. Only $5.45 more into into a pot that has grown to whatever $3.10 + $13 + $13 + $18.45 is.

NL Newbie · #7 09-19-2007, 11:42 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($14)
Hero ($90.20)
MP ($19.45)
Button ($11)
SB ($24.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1, MP calls $1, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.10) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, MP calls $2, BB raises to $13, Hero calls $11, MP raises to $18.45

Do I have to call? WHy or why not?

Ret

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Yes.
Because you called before(mistake), the board didnt change and your odds are just amazing.

Edukashun · #8 09-20-2007, 12:05 AM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($14)
Hero ($90.20)
MP ($19.45)
Button ($11)
SB ($24.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1, MP calls $1, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.10) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, MP calls $2, BB raises to $13, Hero calls $11, MP raises to $18.45

Do I have to call? WHy or why not?

Ret

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Once you're here you're getting like ~10:1 so you can be wrong more than 90% of the time and still be EV+ but IMO you should never have got there.

Unless of course BB was a spewing maniac and even then you've gotta love variance.

orange · #9 09-20-2007, 12:49 AM

Yeah you have to call.

Though BB's line is super super strong.

retleftolc · #10 09-20-2007, 11:42 AM

I called the first raise because I had seen him do this with 99 on a board similar to this, and with a draw earlier.

The second one I called for reasons that have been stated.

I spiked a K on the turn. BB had KK. MP had QJ. I ended up losing 16ptbbs. Even with the c/r of the BB, I thought I might still be ahead. Oh well.

Ret