$3/6 Q9 in SB

[Jantjebeton]

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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
10 players
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG (poster) checks, 4 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB (poster) checks.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4SB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG 3-bets</font>, MP3 folds, Hero ?

[TheCount212]

Fold. One of the two either flopped a set or has an overpair at the least.

[Lucky_River]

I fold preflop. they arn't suited they arn't coneted if the flop came 9 high on Turn and river can came many Overcards if the flop came Q high you have no kicker. What do you think you can win with that trash?
I think fold after the 3-bet may be the best. If you call it could get capped.

[KitCloudkicker]

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I fold preflop. they arn't suited they arn't coneted if the flop came 9 high on Turn and river can came many Overcards if the flop came Q high you have no kicker. What do you think you can win with that trash?
I think fold after the 3-bet may be the best. If you call it could get capped.

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folding Q9o in the small blind for 1/2 a bet is horrible. to answer your points:

if I flop top pair against a few loose passives (as is typical of live play) and bet out and no one raises I dont really give a damn about my kicker.

If I flop a straight (or an OESD) I'm going to get a ton of action as it is in the "playing zone" and will hit lots of other hands.

If I flop two pair anyone with a Q is paying me off the whole way.

I'm not getting married to my hand on a 9 hi or Q hi flop if theres too much action.

Thus, if you have half a brain postflop, folding Q9o preflop here is just horrible.

Now that I've said that, you should know what to do. Fold the flop to the 3B.

[Lucky_River]

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I fold preflop. they arn't suited they arn't coneted if the flop came 9 high on Turn and river can came many Overcards if the flop came Q high you have no kicker. What do you think you can win with that trash?
I think fold after the 3-bet may be the best. If you call it could get capped.

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folding Q9o in the small blind for 1/2 a bet is horrible. to answer your points:


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on 3/6 you have to pay 2/3 (the SB here ist 1 and the BB 3
if you think it's horrible to fold, you may better read a few pokerbooks. You are oop with a trash starting hand all off the time

[KitCloudkicker]

on 3/6 you have to pay 2/3 (the SB here ist 1 and the BB 3
if you think it's horrible to fold, you may better read a few pokerbooks. You are oop with a trash starting hand all off the time

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didnt you read my reasons for playing this hand? sheesh. hold em is not a two card game.

now if you're going to play it poorly postflop and then call a Q hi flop all the way to the river when you're obviously beat, then fold it preflop.

[Zeldark]

You guys might want to throw in some implied odds into your arguments. What portion of the bet you're calling is only part of the puzzle.

[Lucky_River]

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I fold preflop. they arn't suited they arn't coneted if the flop came 9 high on Turn and river can came many Overcards if the flop came Q high you have no kicker. What do you think you can win with that trash?
I think fold after the 3-bet may be the best. If you call it could get capped.

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folding Q9o in the small blind for 1/2 a bet is horrible. to answer your points:

if I flop top pair against a few loose passives (as is typical of live play) and bet out and no one raises I dont really give a damn about my kicker.

Not to care about your kicker is a mistake in holdem poker
if you bet out and only one raises could you fold you toppair Q??

If I flop a straight (or an OESD) I'm going to get a ton of action as it is in the "playing zone" and will hit lots of other hands.
If I flop OESD,... than you have a chane from 1/3 to hit it to the river. If you think this way you can play nerly any 2cards

If I flop two pair anyone with a Q is paying me off the whole way.
If you think that you can play any two cards [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

I'm not getting married to my hand on a 9 hi or Q hi flop if theres too much action.

Thus, if you have half a brain postflop, folding Q9o preflop here is just horrible.
May be you don't know it. It's right in a full ring game ( 10 Players ) to play preflop the best 15 - 20% (round about) and Q9o is definif not.

Now that I've said that, you should know what to do. Fold the flop to the 3B.

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[johnnybeef]

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You guys might want to throw in some implied odds into your arguments. What portion of the bet you're calling is only part of the puzzle.

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Don't stop at just implied odds. Also determine what your effective odds are. At this point, hero is getting 5:1 immediate odds. However, he will likely have to call 2 big bets to get to a showdown unimproved thus making him effectivly 9:5 on his flop call meaning that he has to win this hand 1 out of 3 times to be profitable. Fold flop.

[Lucky_River]

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on 3/6 you have to pay 2/3 (the SB here ist 1 and the BB 3
if you think it's horrible to fold, you may better read a few pokerbooks. You are oop with a trash starting hand all off the time

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didnt you read my reasons for playing this hand? sheesh. hold em is not a two card game.

now if you're going to play it poorly postflop and then call a Q hi flop all the way to the river when you're obviously beat, then fold it preflop.

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I answerd you poor reasons to call that