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Old 06-21-2007, 02:29 PM
Hair_of_the_Dog Hair_of_the_Dog is offline
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Default 8c 6c on the button

Average LP game
No exceptional reads

Hero on the Button with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds
UTG+1 folds
UTG+2 calls
MP1 folds
MP2 folds
LP1 calls
LP2 calls
Hero calls
SB calls
BB checks

Flop (6sb) [ J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ]:
SB checks
BB bets
UTG+2 folds
LP1 calls
LP2 calls
Hero raises
SB folds
BB calls
LP1 calls
LP2 calls

Turn (7bb) [ Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ]
BB checks
LP1 checks
LP2 checks
Hero ?
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Old 06-21-2007, 02:32 PM
BigBadBabar BigBadBabar is offline
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Default Re: 8c 6c on the button

checks obv
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Old 06-21-2007, 02:38 PM
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Default Re: 8c 6c on the button

check and it's not close.
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Old 06-21-2007, 02:42 PM
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Default Re: 8c 6c on the button

I'm guessing your question revolves more around pot equity than folding equity or the like (of which you have zero). Assuming that you are holding the best flush draw, a bet here would have neutral equity if all 3 opponents call again. Yes, you picked up a gutshot, but it's to the ass end and I wouldn't even factor that into the equation; make the Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] a 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and then we have a value bet.

All that said, I think this is a pretty textbook example of when to take your free card. It's not hardly certain that nobody else has a higher flush draw, while not likely it is possible that someone's getting ready for a check/raise, and as I said, you are never going to get all 3 opponents to fold by firing two more barrels. So you don't have enough pot equity to bet your draw, and you don't have enough folding equity to semibluff...check it through.
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Old 06-21-2007, 03:23 PM
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Default Re: 8c 6c on the button

* grunch *

I take the free card here every time. Nice job on raising the flop for it as well as for equity but on the turn you've got absolutely nothing and it's unlikely you're going to fold 3 other players.
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Old 06-21-2007, 05:21 PM
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Default Re: 8c 6c on the button

surrender
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Old 06-21-2007, 07:38 PM
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Default Re: 8c 6c on the button

I think this is why someone once told me that having position on your opponents was good.

Check.
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Old 06-22-2007, 06:39 AM
StrictlyStrategy StrictlyStrategy is offline
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Check > fold> > bet
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Old 06-22-2007, 11:06 AM
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Default Re: 8c 6c on the button

Any 5 or 7 on the turn probably gets me to bet again, but here checking is the best move.
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Old 06-22-2007, 11:32 AM
JJH3984 JJH3984 is offline
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Default Re: 8c 6c on the button

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Check > fold> > bet

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wtf? Folding is not better than betting. Check is obv. best.
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