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TheEngineer · #1 11-09-2007, 06:17 PM

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Lucky · #2 11-09-2007, 06:27 PM

rich,

you're in the political arena now. You need to develop thicker skin and plow forward. We know mason's attitude toward PPA is curious, but that doesn't mean it's in the best interest of you/PPA/legalization movement for you to get all offended, take your ball and go home.

Just do what mason asks, unless the PPA absolutely forbids you to, which they probably won't.

TheEngineer · #3 11-09-2007, 11:17 PM

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rich,

you're in the political arena now. You need to develop thicker skin and plow forward. We know mason's attitude toward PPA is curious, but that doesn't mean it's in the best interest of you/PPA/legalization movement for you to get all offended, take your ball and go home.

Just do what mason asks, unless the PPA absolutely forbids you to, which they probably won't.

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I guess I should repost my earlier reply to this. I thought I could delete the entire thread. I posted that I'm not offended or upset or anything. Rather, I can't really post my own, independent thoughts if I have to sign them "PPA Board Member". If I do that, my posts will have to reflect the PPA's positions. This is impossible for me, as I never represent the PPA here. Rather, I represent us to the PPA.

Imagine if Skallagrim had to start signing each and every post as "PPA NH State Director". Obviously he'd be posting differently, because his posts would imply that he was posting in that capacity.

I do wonder if Greg Raymer will have to post with his board postion next time he posts here, or if the other state directors will have to.

DeadMoneyDad · #4 11-10-2007, 04:31 AM

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rich,

you're in the political arena now. You need to develop thicker skin and plow forward.

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This is impossible for me, as I never represent the PPA here. Rather, I represent us to the PPA.

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The middle child in me says you two should be able to work this out.

This is 2+2's forum.

TE does often defend the PPA, sometimes beyond need.

IMO you have both dug this grave.

If you two can't work this out then perhaps this might be the spark that might create a fire in the PPA's own forum. At least everyone there is a member and there has been talk of utilizing it for the co-ordination of various activities.

Bryan or any of us could post the occasional update and it would be up to those really committed to find the information.

Both sides have a good deal to loose here.

This is not another set back comming at a good time.

D$D

Mason Malmuth · #5 11-10-2007, 08:33 AM

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Hi Everyone:

I want to address this a little more, and you'll soon see why even though I won't be specific and I'm a little bit uncomfortable doing this. But it needs to stated this one time so everyone has a better understanding where Two Plus Two is coming from whether you agree or not.

We share the same goal as the PPA and hope they are successful, but we have many issues concerning the PPA. Some of these have been discussed on this forum in detail, while others have only been discussed in private conversations between Two Plus Two and representatives of the PPA,

Our belief is that if these issues come out publicly, they have the potential to damage the cause. Now it just so happens that it is becoming known that these boards (at www.twoplustwo.com) are where it's at when it comes to all things poker, and a lot of people (and perhaps some organizations) are now reading them. So if I start listing things here, I could damage the PPA. In addition, we took down our attorney's statement from last year for precisely this reason (and at the request of a representative of the PPA).

Thus, our position is now neutral towards this organization. We hope the PPA is successful, and we also hope they will continue to make enough changes so that our position can be moved to positive.

Once it moves to positive, we will drop the requirement for identification of their board members and other certain officials that we designate. But until then, unless we change our decision, we will require identification on this board.

Best wishes,
Mason

Richas · #6 11-10-2007, 08:41 AM

I have been a bit critical of Mason in other threads (and was very glad to see the previous statement removed) but I don't think it is unreasonable for the Engineer to make clear that he is a PPA board member - not a PPA spokesperson - in his posts.

Engineer keep doing what you are doing but take pride in being a PPA Board member!(NOT PPA SPOKESPERSON)

TheEngineer · #7 11-10-2007, 01:06 PM

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I have been a bit critical of Mason in other threads (and was very glad to see the previous statement removed) but I don't think it is unreasonable for the Engineer to make clear that he is a PPA board member - not a PPA spokesperson - in his posts.

Engineer keep doing what you are doing but take pride in being a PPA Board member!(NOT PPA SPOKESPERSON)

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I'm pretty sure everyone here knows my role with PPA already. I'm not trying to conceal it. I already suggested 2+2 change my title (the one under my screen name) to reflect my PPA role. I simply can't use the specific formatting requested by Mason, as it implies that my posts are from the PPA (even with a disclaimer).

KEW · #8 11-09-2007, 06:35 PM

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Please let this mean the issue has been resolved..

If it needs to be said I 100% support TE..

Uglyowl · #9 11-09-2007, 06:55 PM

I hope all is well now. I realize this can be frustrating at times, and you are in the thick of it much more than any of us. I have a few days where I ask "why bother?" (usually when I make a donation and seem to get "blown off" afterwards or am betrayed by someone I voted for) only to bounce back the next day and send more e-mails, make more calls, etc.

It sure is a frustrating battle when you are dealing with people who are in power.

Keep fighting bro, you are doing a great job (The views expressed are solely those of the author/poster and do not necessarily reflect the views of twoplustwo, Inc. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] )

Coy_Roy · #10 11-09-2007, 06:57 PM

You're the leader here TE......without you I'm afraid the movement could go in very insane rambling chaotic directions.

I don't know the details of what happened but please stay.