Top set 3b pot 200 bb deep

Profish2285 · #1 11-27-2007, 01:21 AM

Turn was gross but I thought there was value to betting here and I couldnt think of many if any fives in villains range. He seemed fairly competent and was opening alot in lp. He runs at 17/15/2.3.

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SB ($17.70)
BB ($19.15)
UTG ($72.25)
MP ($66.35)
CO ($95.25)
Hero ($102.85)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO raises to $2, Hero calls $2, 2 folds.

Flop: ($4.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets $2.5, Hero raises to $9.5, CO calls $7.

Turn: ($23.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $18, CO raises to $47, Hero....

ICMoney · #2 11-27-2007, 01:34 AM

Pretty sick spot.

We would be getting 2.9:1 on our push if he calls every time - so we need around 27% equity when called.

We have 38% equity against 77-55,T9s,T9o.

I think I just stick it in.

deleteduser · #3 11-27-2007, 01:37 AM

Golden, I push everday twice on Sundays. The only hand that beats you that I see raising here pf is 55. In which case you still have many outs.

Profish2285 · #4 11-27-2007, 01:39 AM

I really dont see him calling this flop with 55 but I suppose its possible. At best I would give him 2 combos of it. He didnt seem like an idiot and that would be a dumb call to make with the idiot end of an oesd and oop getting poor odds and on a 3 flush board.

doppelganger · #5 11-27-2007, 01:46 AM

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Golden, I push everday twice on Sundays. The only hand that beats you that I see raising here pf is 55. In which case you still have many outs.

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A 17/15 who's opening a lot of pots in LP will do that with some SC's that include fives too, but that also means he'll be holding 2 pair a lot as well.

I think it's a push, followed by berating his flop play when we don't fill up and he shows 5c6c.

Profish2285 · #6 11-27-2007, 01:50 AM

5c6c is one of the very few realistic 5's he could have here imo. Im just saying about the whole 5 thing so that people dont suggest checking behind because I thought that was weak sauce at the time and still do.

Speedlimits · #7 11-27-2007, 01:52 AM

betting turn is good.... just because he c/red you this time doesn't mean sh.it.

call his small raise too.

gregorio · #8 11-27-2007, 01:56 AM

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Golden, I push everday twice on Sundays. The only hand that beats you that I see raising here pf is 55. In which case you still have many outs.

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also A5cc and T9

He should know draws are a bigger part of your range than sets and could put you on an semi-bluff, but there are a lot of made hands you can have by now that he should be scared of. of course he could be semi-bluffing himself, but then sticking in on the flop makes more sense for him.

For 100BB I get it in. For 200bb, I don't know except yank plug from wall if you have disconnect protect.

Profish2285 · #9 11-27-2007, 01:57 AM

You dont think just shoving here is optimal? There are a decent number of rivers that can kill our action or our hand.

doppelganger · #10 11-27-2007, 01:58 AM

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betting turn is good.... just because he c/red you this time doesn't mean sh.it.

call his small raise too.

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Wait...what? If we call his raise then we've got a $129 pot with $30 left behind. We're certainly not folding the river under any circumstances, so why not get it all in when there are still draws in his range?