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#13
05-24-2007, 02:40 PM
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Re: $16s- 25/50, 2 hands shoving over multiple limpers
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Why are people advising a fold with AQ?? I can understand not liking the all in but no one even limps it? [/ QUOTE ] meh, aq is like the semi better version of aj :P 
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#14
05-24-2007, 02:52 PM
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Re: $16s- 25/50, 2 hands shoving over multiple limpers
Not to mention the only difference when you hold AQ is they could be limping AK.. that basically never happens, at 25/50 especially. Other than that they are essentially the same in this situation.
I don't know why anyone wouldn't see a flop with AQ here though, it's a good hand. Also for the first hand the only hands we don't want to see are AA/KK/QQ/AK.. so it isn't that likely that someone left to act is holding those, if they call with something else like JJ or whatever its fine.
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#16
05-24-2007, 04:20 PM
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Re: $16s- 25/50, 2 hands shoving over multiple limpers
2nd hand looks fine. I dont necessarily like pushing AQ here because you have 4 others behind you left to act.
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#17
05-24-2007, 05:16 PM
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Re: $16s- 25/50, 2 hands shoving over multiple limpers
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i dont like either plays learn how to play after the flop better. Raise and play your hand from there. [/ QUOTE ] dude we have 30bb and people dislike limp folding if you raise to 350 or whatever. 2 limpers you make it 350 in position with 1400 stack, one caller. Flop comes 952r pot is 775 you have 1100. How much postflop play is there to this hand? How exactly are you going to outplay your opponent? I mean its pretty ugly just shoving BUT you almost certainly have the best hand vs limpers, you have a ton of FE AND they call with worse hands. I really have no problem with either push tbh. However, my standard line is limp the first hand and raise the second one to 250.
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#18
05-24-2007, 05:24 PM
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Re: $16s- 25/50, 2 hands shoving over multiple limpers
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i dont like either plays learn how to play after the flop better. Raise and play your hand from there. [/ QUOTE ] I know how to play post flop, but I've stated a few times why this could be trouble in this situation. AQ should not be raised, if played either a shove or limp, so with AK if you raise you have to make it around 250. Your best case scenario is one caller, the pot is 600+ and a c-bet will cost somewhere around 400 which is half of your remaining stack. If you get multiple callers you can only play on flops you hit and you just waste a huge portion of your stack half the time when you miss. By raising you are creating a situation where you can't "play" postflop because of the size of the pot pf, you can only bet when you make a hand. Shoving now is far more likely to take down the hand or get us into a dominating or at worst flipping situation (it will be AA/KK extremely rarely), I like this better than a 50% shot at losing 20-25% of our stack.
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#20
05-24-2007, 05:39 PM
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Re: $16s- 25/50, 2 hands shoving over multiple limpers
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to me, going all in for 30 BBs behind no raise is pointless. [/ QUOTE ] Fair enough, but just to understand your thinking.. I assume you raise atleast in the AK hand, so what is your raise size? Obv getting no callers isn't a problem so with the new pot size with limpers and 1 caller how do you play when your hand misses the flop? With multiple callers how do you play when your hand misses the flop? Its easy to play if they all fold pf, or if you connect on the flop, but when you miss you are almost too deep to c-bet seeing in takes a large portion or all of your stack in the case of multiple callers. Seeing you miss the flop a huge percent of the time, are you just giving up your 250+ with a check/fold? If so this is why I think it is better to usually take down a smaller pot pf than go for a bigger one post flop.
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