88 in SB, limped around preflop.

[1outer]

There seems to be a misconception that people are only calling his shove with premiums. I have played these $6.50 SNG"s which I believe are turbos as well. A large shove, in retrospect due to the # of poor players at these levels, IMO will only egg on a marginal hand to take a shot. If it's a turbo ur always less than 2 mins away from a level change and doubling up is always on their minds. I think shoving is Fine, however, you just hafta put it in ur mind that some speculative hand might call you to gamble it up. So shoving for strictly FE may be incorrect, Hero should be knowing there is a decent chance he/she will be racing for all the chips.

[AMT]

what everyone seems to be failing to "merge" on with their description of the situation is that players at this level are limping all of the hands that we have dominated/are far far ahead of with a ton of overlay and almost 1/3 our stack gone. so, when people say "just recognize that when you shove people are more inclined to look you up with speculative hands", thats a good thing. yes, sometimes youre flipping, but youre either flipping with a ton of overlay or youre way ahead with a ton of overlay, either way with a healthy amount of FE. take these things into consideration, and specifically relating to the pot size as sence touched on and not just how many bb's are in your stack.

again, not saying you *need* to shove here, and at certain tables perhaps i wouldnt, but if 88 is not a shove its very very close, 99 and TT are both shoves in this particular spot. when people state *avid* opposition, it just shows me people arent relating all of the relevant factors.

[Kevin8423]

I agree that 88 is close for shoving or limping, thats why I just go ahead an limp. 99+ shoving is probably best. You aren't so short that giving up this pot will devastate your stack. I've already said that hero calls beat me 100% though.

I wouldn't be against shoving, I just don't like it as much.