Dealing with incompetant floor?

[Red_Diamond]

This scenario happened less than a year ago. I was at Casino Niagara, (2 mins away from the Fallsview). Two large stacks at the cash table get involved in a heads up confrontation.

By the time the river was dealt, one of the players who was beside me had a missed AK draw. He then pushed the rest of his chips into the pot on a bluff. While the other player debated for a while on calling or not, the bluffer peeled his hole cards up a bit and took another peek. Now it was sort of obvious that both me and another person seated on the other side of this player could clearly see his cards by just shifting our eyes down. I didn't think this was an issue as the only player remaining in the hand was out of eye-sight of this but.............

A floorperson behind us spotted the flashing hole cards and imediately came over and insisted that the entire table must see the cards IMEDIATELY. This was very shocking to me but being just a player myself, I know the #1 rule is NEVER argue with the floor, no matter how much you may think you are right.

The bluffer protested, mentioning the hand was still going on and was live. But the floor literaly grabed his cards out of the mans hand (who was struggling not to let go of them) and showed em face up on the table. Naturaly the other player made the call upon seeing the obvious bluff. That pot was around 5 buy-ins worth. Very sad.

I understand the SHOW-ONE SHOW-ALL rule, but during a LIVE HAND? I suspect the floor was perhaps a new recuit from the Roulette tables or something.

Opinions all?

[djoyce003]

i'd want my money back from the floor...there's no way that decision can be right in a live hand....now if the caller had the nut flush or something that's one thing, but if the caller had something weak like an unimproved pocket pair or second pair or even TP bad kicker, I'd want the casino to reimburse me. You can show all AFTER the hand, not during. Not to mention, he didn't intentionally show you his cards, it was accidental and caused by him not being careful but it isn't like he picked them up and showed them to you, at least that's how I took it.

[MediaPA]

Even if he picks them up, holds them at arms length in front of him, show one, show all doesn't apply until the hand is over. If you or the person in the next seat are still in the hand, then this becomes more interesting (and show one, show all would have to be called at that point).

If the opponent wants to see after he folds, he is more than entitled to at that point. Terrible floor.

[youtalkfunny]

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being just a player myself, I know the #1 rule is NEVER argue with the floor, no matter how much you may think you are right.

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Who told you this? A floorperson?

If this had happened to me, there would've been hell to pay. If a fistfight was necessary to protect my cards from this rampaging floorperson, that's what would've happened.

"The decision of the floorperson is final" does not give the floor immunity to commit illegal acts. If he can grab my cards and show them to my opponents, does that mean he can grab my wallet, and distribute the money how he sees fit? Of course not.

[Percula]

The floor is rarely the last word in the poker room.

[magoo]

No joint is immune from a bad decision, now and then. You have to consider your overall rationale for frequenting a particular place, then stop playing in the ones you don't like.

[pfapfap]

Wow. Someone needs to complain regularly and persistently and keep going up the chain until he gets satisfaction. The floor putting him in the position to defend himself already hurt his chances of winning, as it created doubt for the other person.

That is seriously f'd up.

[Red_Diamond]

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If this had happened to me, there would've been hell to pay. If a fistfight was necessary to protect my cards from this rampaging floorperson, that's what would've happened.


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I have heard this same response from others, but in all honestly, would this be worth going to jail over? And you may still lose the pot ontop of the fight.

Again, I felt sorry for the player and was tempted to also argue with the floor, but I'm so house-broken in by now... I don't even attempt to argue anymore.

What also shocked me though, is how come the dealer just sat there through it all and didn't even speak up about this being wrong procedure either? Maybe he was worried of losing his job, I don't know...

[psandman]

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What also shocked me though, is how come the dealer just sat there through it all and didn't even speak up about this being wrong procedure either? Maybe he was worried of losing his job, I don't know...

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Because players are allowed to argue with the floor (in a respectful manner) but dealers aren't.

[Balut]

This ruling has me stunned. Can this matter not be taken any further??? People higher up in the food chain.
This is when names and numbers need to be taken. Floorpersons such as this need a good kick up the back side. Ridiculous!