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#1
11-29-2007, 06:03 PM
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Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.
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[ QUOTE ] someone explain why 3balling the flop is even a good play vs this villian. [/ QUOTE ] it looks super super bluffy on a board this dry and if he's Cring for value with AJ, how can he fold to this [/ QUOTE ] Wtf do YOU do with AJ? Or how about A 10? 
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#2
11-30-2007, 05:23 PM
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Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.
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someone explain why 3balling the flop is even a good play vs this villian. [/ QUOTE ] It can give you more information about his hand. If he 4-balls, yer probably dead, and you found out for cheaper than calling a turn and river, which if the board bricks off, you pretty much have to do. Not saying it's the best play, but showing why it can have merit. That said, I haven't read to second part yet, but it seems like you caught him with his hand in the cookie jar. I'd probably bet and reassess if he raises again, as you have mentioned he can't have had an ace on flop and now picked up FD. Probably a fold if he does raise again given your read on him. EDIT: I've now read the rest, and while I hate to let people off with a weak ace here, betting like 4500 and folding to a shove is supremely crappy, but if you bet anywhere near pot and he raises you, pretty much both options suck. That said, from your read I probably milk him for the 4500 on river, then cry and fold if he raises me, as I can't imagine for the life of me a guy with this image is going to piss away ~23k trying to shove off an obvious ace, and wouldn't be at all surprised had he backed into a flush with a flop bluff. I'm guessing since you posted this, this hand is more interesting than a standard bet/called/kicked his ace or bet/folded, but trying not to look at it like that.
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#3
11-30-2007, 05:27 PM
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Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.
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[ QUOTE ] someone explain why 3balling the flop is even a good play vs this villian. [/ QUOTE ] It can give you more information about his hand. If he 4-balls, yer probably dead, and you found out for cheaper than calling a turn and river, which if the board bricks off, you pretty much have to do. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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#4
11-29-2007, 06:08 PM
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Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.
i dont like 3 betting the flop. by just calling his raise, you can represent a much wider range of weaker hands (Acerag, 99 - kk), and you can extract more from him. if you three bet and he pushes, i think you have to muck it. if he he calls your 3 bet on the flop, what is our action on the turn? fold if he pot leads on the turn? can we bet the turn if he checks? if we do bet, how much can we bet and still get him to call? i would prefer 3 betting against an aggro player, but i think he gets away from this as described, esp if he is up in the match.
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#6
11-29-2007, 07:27 PM
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Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.
HEK I dont understand. So youre saying if we 3b the flop he never calls with a worse hand? So he folds like 90% of his range here? Hmm maybe you should be 3b bluffing more in this spot then. Like everytime someone crs. The only reason i WOULDNT 3b here is if I think he will fire some more shells with hands like 45 etc. But on a board this dry he will prolly give up with his air bluffs (or he should), so I think 3b the flop has more value. Also, I think Ive seen ansky post that he does 3ball air sometimes on flops vs ppl who raise the flop a lot, so he prolly can get a worse hand to call here. One more thing, I think it was jfish who said that he is bloating pots oop with marginal hands and we need to punish him for that. It will make him easier to play against in the future because he will be more passive with his ace hands in the future, thus narrowing his CR range, so we can play better in the big pots.
-Mike -Mike
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#7
11-29-2007, 10:31 AM
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Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.
if he has A6 or a three I don't see him going for a double c/r here. After all I assume he's not THAT tricky and can't possibly think you'd bet the turn right? He'd certainly go for value vs you're Ax. Given that he goes for thin value checkraises (range weighted more towards ace lower kicker than anything that beats you) you need to bet a little more than 1/2 pot say 2200, call a c/r and call the river. If he flats the turn then bet the river same %.
If you had AJ I'd check, AQ is close depending on his 3bet preflop frequency. another thought is that if he was in fact bluff c/ring the flop then you aren't getting a dime more anyway so there's another reason to bet.
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#9
11-29-2007, 10:47 AM
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Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.
given the description and the match so far i'd bet here 100% of the time with AQ+, AJ/AT is a bit closer maybe you can check turn with them. 2500, 5500 on the river if he checks again sounds good. i don't think he'll be folding any ace.
also seems like a good spot for a double re raise on the flop, no?
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