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Old 11-28-2007, 06:48 PM
DLizzle DLizzle is offline
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i can't believe im the first one to say this but c/r to something like 2700. all in sucks, AK folds and the overpairs will always call

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disagree, i think AK is more likely to call a shove than to shove over or call a raise to 2700.

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aren't you guys agreeing?

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Don't we want him to get it in with his entire range including AK and not just the hands that beat us?
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:56 PM
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Default Re: pair + draw vs spewtard

i think you are almost guaranteed the equity against his range you put him on. someone above said he might have you worse than 36/64 or whatever. this is really never the case since bad players dont 3 bet with small suited connectors or small pocket pairs with position. they try to "flop big and win a big pot"
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:45 PM
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reality check. pokerstove says you're looking at about 54% to win it (not knowing what suits your 6's are) if you have his range at JJ+,AKs,AKo.

even if you add the slightly more unlikely 33 - 55, you're still in the lead here.

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i think you have enough equity in a shove of him folding to justify flipping coins.
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Given villain's description (has not 3-bet pf ONCE prior), I would actually discount AK somewhat. I think its FAR more likely he has KK or AA here.

As such, i'd c/c and c/f turn ui.
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Old 11-28-2007, 08:30 PM
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As such, i'd c/c and c/f turn ui.

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ever visit the site www.lolweaktightnitaments.com?
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Old 11-28-2007, 09:27 PM
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As such, i'd c/c and c/f turn ui.

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ever visit the site www.lolweaktightnitaments.com?

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Ever visit www.imamassivedbag.com? [censored] off. I love how this guy hasn't 3-bet ONE time, and now he's got AK enough of the time to justify our equity when he snap calls our check-shove.

Oh, by the way - [censored] off.
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Old 11-28-2007, 11:04 PM
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I'm not HSNL but quick thought. Equity is awesome vs his range and usually w/ 10 outs its OMG jam but only a hand like this doing a crai quick math says he needs to fold ~30% of the time to make it correct. I doubt for a guy that has never 3bet yet AK makes up a third of his range and hes prob never folding JJ+.
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Old 11-28-2007, 11:36 PM
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Default Re: pair + draw vs spewtard

preflop I was thinking JJ+, AK. On the flop when he pounded a PSB at the pot I strongly felt that AK was on the lower part of his range and I had next to zero fold equity. Against players with wider 3b ranges, I'd obv just c/r commit or jam whichever I'm in the mood to do at the time.

So figuring I had no fold equity I check/called the flop. Turn was another 4. I checked and he shoved. I folded.
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Old 11-28-2007, 11:40 PM
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I'm not HSNL but quick thought. Equity is awesome vs his range and usually w/ 10 outs its OMG jam but only a hand like this doing a crai quick math says he needs to fold ~30% of the time to make it correct. I doubt for a guy that has never 3bet yet AK makes up a third of his range and hes prob never folding JJ+.

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Can you show the math where he has to fold more than 30%?

I got a number much smaller than this.
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Old 11-28-2007, 11:49 PM
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preflop I was thinking JJ+, AK. On the flop when he pounded a PSB at the pot I strongly felt that AK was on the lower part of his range and I had next to zero fold equity. Against players with wider 3b ranges, I'd obv just c/r commit or jam whichever I'm in the mood to do at the time.
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So figuring I had no fold equity I check/called the flop. Turn was another 4. I checked and he shoved. I folded.

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Old 11-28-2007, 11:49 PM
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hek, you have 40% equity if he NEVER has AK. just get it in, please.
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