Pocket Jacks - Check Raised ?

LottaNirvana · #1 11-16-2007, 03:01 PM

Early in the Tourney.... Almost Nothing is known about the other players.

In the Previous hand....
I Won a Large Pot Without a Showdown (with KK)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB (t1420)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t1450)
MP1 (t1290)
MP2 (t1290)
MP3 (t1860)
Hero (t2580)
Button (t1470)
SB (t1140)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to t40, MP2 calls t40, 1 fold, Hero raises to t80, 1 fold, SB calls t70, BB calls t60, MP1 calls t40, MP2 calls t40.

Flop: (t400) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets t300, SB folds, BB calls t300, MP1 folds, MP2 folds.

Turn: (t1000) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks,
 Hero bets t500 ,
 BB raises to t1000 ,

Hero ???

brad2002tj · #2 11-16-2007, 03:06 PM

Hate the minraise. Make it 160 or better preflop.

BB could have anything. You are up against a 7 or flush draw. As played I shove or fold read dependant. Probably shove.

Dunkman · #3 11-16-2007, 03:07 PM

Umm your raise to 80 is like beyond bad...why on earth would you do that? Make it like 200-250 depending on how loose people are calling.

I think you can fold on the turn, the entire table saw the flop, a 7 isn't unreasonable. Also, a line of c/c then c/minraise is like unbelievably strong, I just don't think he's doing this with 88 or a flush draw...I can find a fold here.

LottaNirvana · #4 11-16-2007, 03:10 PM

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Hate the minraise. Make it 160 or better preflop .

BB could have anything. You are up against a 7 or flush draw. As played I shove or fold read dependant. Probably shove.

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Yeah you're right. A bet of 160 might've given me some information.

tomek322 · #5 11-16-2007, 03:10 PM

I stopped reading at "Hero raises to t80"

Dunkman · #6 11-16-2007, 03:12 PM

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Yeah you're right. A bet of 200 might've allowed me to stack one of these fish instead of getting stacked myself.

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FYP

LottaNirvana · #7 11-16-2007, 03:16 PM

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I stopped reading at "Hero raises to t80"

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Ok I deserved that.

I shouldn't have been messing around with Jacks.
My reasoning (flawed as it might've been...) was to try to get a bit more money in the pot then see what the flop brings....

So... what would you have suggested... 160? 200?

LottaNirvana · #8 11-16-2007, 03:19 PM

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Yeah you're right. A bet of 200 might've allowed me to stack one of these fish instead of getting stacked myself.

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Good read.

OK everyone....

I can see I needed a good swift kick in my Donkey Butt and I do appreciate it. Thank you

Dunkman · #9 11-16-2007, 03:26 PM

I wasn't really trying to pick on you, just make a point. Making a nice healthy PF raise will still get action and allow you to take all their money. You aren't doing it for information, you're doing it for value, and they'll call (but 1 or 2, not all of them, which is what you want.) Anyway, hang around and keep reading and you'll get it.

LottaNirvana · #10 11-16-2007, 03:40 PM

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I wasn't really trying to pick on you, just make a point.

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I know and I meant it when I said that I appreciate it.
I really do.

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.... hang around and keep reading and you'll get it.

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It seems like I did "get it" (sort of) for a while... cashing or winning quite a few of the STT's or Small MTTs I entered. My ROI was finally starting to go up... but lately, I feel like I'm playing worse than ever.

It's weird