Brace on my wrist TURBO

[antidan444]

Of course I always enjoy FMXDA coming up villager when I'm certain he's a wolf. That's always fun. Like a knife in the groin.

[Zurvan]

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Zurvan,

I honestly don't understand.

Also, I thought drawing early NK's was good for the village?

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I know you don't understand.

That's the problem. People don't get how spending all this time cultivating a certain image in 95% of your games, for the 5% of the time you're a seer, is harmful.

Just play. Find wolves. Find villagers. Try to lynch the wolves. Try not to lynch the villagers.

Let the seer and the wolves worry about the seer.

You don't draw night kills by going out of your way to act like the seer. You draw night kills by being right, being so obviously village you'll never get lynched, or because you've done something the wolves can take advantage of by eating you (ie, WRONG WOLF PEEK). That's it. Nothing else.

If you fake seer - and are wrong - you've done two things:

1) Allowed the wolves to cross you off the seer list
2) Given them an opportunity to force the village in to a mistake.

If you are a regular villager NOT posting fake peeks, and just trying to be right, you can be wrong AND STILL GET EATEN. Sure, the village could make a mistake based on what you've said, but it's less obvious why you were eaten.

[Zurvan]

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I think people should stop worrying about their own metagame, and doing this to help the 1 game in 9 or whatever that they're a seer. Since everything you do to help your seer meta hurts your village meta, you're f'ing up your villager games to help your seer game.

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Good, disciplined fake peeking can help the seer, whoever it is, in every game you play as a villager.

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You know how you should be playing villager? As if there's no seer.

It simplifies things SO MUCH. Forget there's even a seer in the game. Find wolfy players. Try to lynch them. Find villagery players. Try to not lynch them.

Make good decisions, based on logic, make yourself clearly a villager. If everyone did that, and forced the other players to do that, it would make being a wolf much harder.

[antidan444]

Good post, zurv. I think you're right WRT long games.

Turbos really are a different game, though. Things happen too fast.

[Zurvan]

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Good post, zurv. I think you're right WRT long games.

Turbos really are a different game, though. Things happen too fast.

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Yes, turbos are faster.

Therefore, you need to REDUCE the complexity of the village's decisions, not increase it. Faking makes things harder on the village, because there's more nebulous data.

When you're so out there with anything, it makes it very easy on the wolves to project an image with a night kill. The village needs to decide if the wolves meant the obvious, or the second level with a kill. Too much thinking involved, and too much room for error.

[DustinG]

Zurvan makes some good points

But fpsing is absolutely NOT the biggest problem that villages have.

Its knee-jerk villaging, lynching people for stupid mistakes, and using too much logic at the expense of tone, intuition extra.

If more of the latter went on instead of the former, villages wouldn't have such a hard time dealing with fpsers.

[antidan444]

Zurvan,

In a turbo, as a villager, all I would be doing is taking my top village read and be popping it in an "If I'm the seer" form, which basically is just spotlighting it. That's it. No fancy-schmanzy stuff from me, other than that.

Is that so bad?

I really do think in a turbo this might be a good thing. (Unless my read is wrong, LDO, but again I think that happens with my top village read pretty rarely, and I'm not exactly the most egotistical player in the world to be saying that.)

[DustinG]

Antidan,

the only thing that worries me about your approach is that I think you could just as easily take yourself out of the seer hunt that way than by being wrong and/or not dropping any hints.

If you're always hinting at the most obvious villager, people (wolves) are going to pick up on that pretty quickly.

I've been clearing people and saying "not my peek", for this very reason.

[antidan444]

Dustin,

Any other way and I won't feel comfortable doing it, because it increases the percentage of time I'll be wrong and thus the percentage of time the wolves can take advantage.

[antidan444]

And in some ways it wouldn't be terrible for the wolves to not take me seriously, which is what I want when I AM the seer.

But that's just benefitting one game out of nine.